people without boosters in hospital

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I have had 2 injections. Heard yesterday that people in hospital were unvaxxed or unboosted do you think its true?

really dont fancy a third jab whats the likelihood of ending up in hospital thoughif you catch it unboosted?

no positives yet thankfully.

It is true, where I work almost all in ITU are unvaccinated. There are a small group of inpatients seriously unwell with 2 vaccines, the omicron variant is quite good at getting through waning antibodies. The 3rd dose is making a big difference. Hardly any admitted at least 2 weeks post 3rd dose unless they have serious underlying immune diseases and those mostly seem to be recovering. If everyone had 3 vaccinations the NHS would be functioning pretty well.

At the end of last year the numbers of older people in hospital with Covid (Delta) started to creep up worryingly as the effects of their first two doses wore off. Once the booster programme got underway you could see the link between cases and hospitalisation breaking again. The third dose visibly works.

If you're vulnerable to hospitalisation due to age (over 40?), sex, ethnicity, BMI or medical factors then a booster would be a prudent idea. Likewise if you have caring responsibilities which would be difficult if you were bedridden

My friend is a respiratory nurse and she confirmed to me that basically all of the people in hospital with Covid are unvaccinated. She didn't specifically mention boosters.

interested in boosters thanks.

@HansChristianAnderfuck

It is true, where I work almost all in ITU are unvaccinated. There are a small group of inpatients seriously unwell with 2 vaccines, the omicron variant is quite good at getting through waning antibodies. The 3rd dose is making a big difference. Hardly any admitted at least 2 weeks post 3rd dose unless they have serious underlying immune diseases and those mostly seem to be recovering. If everyone had 3 vaccinations the NHS would be functioning pretty well.

thanks

Honestly, do your bit for society and get a booster. Many hospitals are being overwhelmed, I'm sure you don't want to be in the position where you require a hospital bed, or a GP appointment but there isn't one available.

i think i probably will then. Ive been holding back due to worries about the long term affects of having 3 vacciness within a year though, and also scared of being ill. I was ill with first az but not second az.

Touch wood not positive.

Db went to intensive care with 2xAZ and 1xPfizer

Better now. So they did save his life.

Getting a booster is a good decision. You’ll get something different this time. Dh had a sore arm but no other side effects after his two az doses then a Pfizer

Glad to hear your db recovered gsaoej, you must all be so relieved

4 out of 5 in my house hold have boosters 3 out of 4 got covid last week the only one really sick as in very high tempeature etc was the one who had not had the booster im glad i got mine

I had my second vaccine in late September. Some people got their boosters around that time. They're no more protected than I am now if the jab effects do only last a couple of months. I'll be getting my booster at some point, but what about the most vulnerable people who got their boosters earlier?

If everyone had 3 vaccinations the NHS would be functioning pretty well.

It's so depressing to read this, knowing that many people are choosing not to get the jabs. So many consequences for the whole of society.

The way things are going, you will be very fortunate indeed not to catch covid. I barely know anyone now who hasn't had it. And while there's no real way of knowing if you'll be ill with it or not, chances are with only two AZ, it will make you more ill than the effects of a Pfizer booster would. When they refer to covid as mild, it can still be anything up to a couple of weeks of flu, vomiting, weakness etc, compared to vaccine effects that last a couple of days.

With the boosters, does anyone know if it's the case that boosters are needed (as in three courses) to be effective at preventing hospitalisation now, or is it just the case that second doses are wearing off and the booster is just a top up to get it back up to two-dose levels?

I've recently had the second vaccine, so am just wondering if I am still vulnerable until a booster or is that sufficient protection in the meantime (I'm aware for many it's been more than 6 months since second jabs).

@Waxonwaxoff0

I had my second vaccine in late September. Some people got their boosters around that time. They're no more protected than I am now if the jab effects do only last a couple of months. I'll be getting my booster at some point, but what about the most vulnerable people who got their boosters earlier?

Not true, you get better antibody production with a third vaccine. I work with an immune compromised patient group who have poor vaccine responses in terms of measurable antibodies. Some made no measurable response to the first 2 vaccines but a high antibody response to the 3rd dose and they are now being boosted with a 4th. We lost a lot of these patients in the first waves but I haven’t seen any of mine (vaccinated at least x 3) die during this wave, some are still hospitalised but are recovering quickly and not getting as sick. Where I work everyone unwell enough to be in ITU is vaccinated with less than 3 and the vast majority of those are completely unvaccinated.

@HansChristianAnderfuck that's good news then.

If everyone had 3 vaccinations the NHS would be functioning pretty well.

Unlike all the other winters in last 20 years? Especially when dealing with wait lists that are literally 3-5x bigger than in any previous year ever. And when no one ever before had to stay away from all clinical duties due to symptoms of mild cold.

Would be amazing if even slightly remotely true.

Someone I know died this morning of covid who was fully vaccinated including booster.

@lljkk

If everyone had 3 vaccinations the NHS would be functioning pretty well.

Unlike all the other winters in last 20 years? Especially when dealing with wait lists that are literally 3-5x bigger than in any previous year ever. And when no one ever before had to stay away from all clinical duties due to symptoms of mild cold.

Would be amazing if even slightly remotely true.

By pretty well I mean relevant to now. Obviously. You get less spread among the vaccinated and less severe disease. We have 3 wards filled now with covid. Last year we had 10 floors filled. The difference is vaccination.

Friend icu nurse everyone in there just now unvaccinated

I guess I will be taking myself along for booster then.

Good for you, OP.

According to BMJ (yesterday) the proportion of unvaccinated in ICU is now 61% (source ICNARC) It has been falling, in line with the proportion of unvaccinated in the population, but that reversed itself in October.

London hospitals are reporting higher figures, so that might lie behind the bigger numbers that some media and politicians have been using