What is your opinion on how effective the vaccines are against the delta variant?

[2boysand1princess]

I know the gov website says “highly effective” and gives good stats for those double jabbed, however I now know 3 adults in aged 39-42 who have had covid months after both vaccines (Pfizer) and had covid quite bad (1 hospitalised and still there)
What are your experiences? My sister (34) works in a very large secondary school which has had many positive cases recently and she has managed not to get it and is double jabbed.

Well I am not sure, I mean I know of 6 double vaccinated people that have it in my home town in the last week, (1 AZ and 5 Pfizer) this is the most I have personally know in one week since the pandemic started. Having said that I dont know anyone who hasnt had at least one vaccine.

How on earth would anyone be able to give you a meaningful answer???

I’m not sure ‘opinions’ is how science is meant to work!

However:
about 64% effective in preventing catching it and being symptomatic
About 93% effective in preventing hospitalisation.

That’s according to studies from Israel.

@SonnetForSpring

How on earth would anyone be able to give you a meaningful answer???

This.

It sounds like you’ve misunderstood how the vaccines work.

I tested positive yesterday 2 weeks after my second AZ jab. I've worked in a school all through the last year and a half

My personal non professional opinion is that it doesn't work so easily eg... I could be very well covered by astra for delta, have a brilliant immune response but get really unlucky and get unwittingly stuck with a super spreader in an enclosed space and get such a huge dose I'm overwhelmed

Look at the infection rates in the various age groups to decide how effective the vaccines are.

@SonnetForSpring

How on earth would anyone be able to give you a meaningful answer???

I guess what I’m asking is how many double jabbed people do you know that have had covid symptomatically. Like a pp said, I too have never personally known of so many individuals with covid at the same time! So many of my friends and family have been lucky to avoid it, but now with so many adults vaccinated there seems to more of us catching covid and even some needing to be hospitalised. I guess it will vary from area to area though and we are in a “hotspot”

When assessing evidence you need to look at how they are defining 'effective'

It may well mean against moderate or severe illness and death. Which means you can still become unpleasantly ill, but that you won't need hospital treatment

But yes, some people who have had both jabs will still get it badly. No one has ever said total protection.

There are however considerably fewer people becoming badly ill. The figures for this wave haven't full settled, but it looks as if 2-3% of those who catch it will require hospital treatment, down from about 9% in earlier waves. (I think the number-crunching is still going on to look at differences between the types of jab, the number of jabs the inpatients have had (and if there had been a long enough interval for them to havev taken full effect) and presence of any major underlying health conditions)

It's not really a subject susceptible to 'opinion' - it's something countable.

guess what I’m asking is how many double jabbed people do you know that have had covid symptomatically.

But I also know a lot of under 18s who have tested positive this week. I think the virus is pretty rife atm, but there won't be the vast amount of deaths there would have been without the vaccine.

As a double vaccinated person I'm still being careful, as I'm very aware I could still become ill, and I don't want to be.

I am in a hotspot too and know more people with it now than ever before, all are double jabbed but none have been desperately ill whereas, in the earlier waves, we heard of fewer cases but they were much sicker and two friends of friends died

There’s a paper out from Gupta Labs yesterday showing an eightfold reduction in neutralising antibodies with Delta, AZ faring worse than Pfizer.

I think protection against infection at this point is quite weak. Against serious illness it still seems to be holding up.

OK - this is not science obviously so don't shoot me down.

I get the impression that the vaccines are not holding up to this Delta variant and they are far less effective than the figures we're being given are suggesting.

I think in about a month's time they'll be even less effective and by the time kids go back to school they'll be next to useless.

Idiotic post of the day goes to @Dustyboots - please look at the actual data & not shit on Facebook.

I think the vaccines are stopping people becoming very poorly, but I think more people are catching Covid after being double vaccinated than I expected. And although these people aren’t hospitalised they are unwell for a week or so.

OP please believe the science over anecdote from randoms online

No one ever said that the vaccines prevented infections. No one ever said mild cases didn’t include time off work and days in bed. The vaccines are working

When I get a medical degree and specialise in virology and vaccines I'll give you my scientific facts.

Opinions from the general public are worthless. What do you hope to gain from asking this?

It's difficult to say but a friends ds has tested positive 6 days ago, my friend and her dd( 17 (early vaccine Asthma) both fully vaccinated have not yet caught the virus) despite living under the same roof.

This is a classic example of "a small% of a big number is still a big number".

Call it 40k people a day: so 280k in a week. So in the last two weeks nearly 600k people have been infected (a little under 1% of UK population). In some areas of the country infections are a multiple of ten higher than other parts, so potentially a much higher % of the population infected. Given that, and given that vaccines are never 100% effective, you'd never expect to get through a peak like this without significant numbers of vaccinated people catching vivid.

From PHE document:

I’m troubled by Andrew Marr’s story.

Dunno, I have got Covid, double jabbed. It's just like a writer virus. Except I never get those. First time lll in years.

Anecdotes are not evidence, I prefer to rely on scientific studies rather than scaremongering.

The only people I know who’ve had Covid in the last few weeks have been double jabbed.... however they’re not really very ill with it.

I’m reassured that the death rate is way way lower than in previous waves. It feels like the vaccines aren’t effective enough to stop you testing positive, but are, by and large, effective enough to stop most from being seriously ill or dying. Which compared to where we were this time last year, is still a major step forward.