What is your opinion on how effective the vaccines are against the delta variant?

[2boysand1princess]

I know the gov website says “highly effective” and gives good stats for those double jabbed, however I now know 3 adults in aged 39-42 who have had covid months after both vaccines (Pfizer) and had covid quite bad (1 hospitalised and still there)
What are your experiences? My sister (34) works in a very large secondary school which has had many positive cases recently and she has managed not to get it and is double jabbed.

@Mixmeup

I’m troubled by Andrew Marr’s story.

Be prudent by all means but try not to be too worried. AM has had a severe stroke and kidney cancer and is prone to overdoing things at work.

I read the scientific evidence but I don’t believe it so am going to ask some people on the internet as I am sure they know better

I'm in a hotspot. Highest rate in the country. Everyone seems to have it.

Anecdotally so completely unscientific but all those double jabbed who I know who have either got it or recently had it were Pfizer.
AZ seems to be offering better protection.

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I think Israel's estimate of 64% efficacy is going to turn out to be more accurate than PHE's 80%. Their data does suffer from small sample size but they've been running their vaccination program as a clinical trial and are likely to be doing a better job of contact tracing since their outbreak is much smaller. Meanwhile in the UK, Zoe has established that none of the testable three symptoms are common in people who've been vaccinated so on order to get a PCR when double vaccinated you probably need to lie about symptoms, be logging your symptoms on Zoe, have been identified as a contact or happen to get a positive LFT.

This is the data that sage is using for both Pfizer and AZ.

On trasmissability though the problem is delta has a r of 6 compared to 3 for alpha. Given the vaccines cut transmission by around 40 to 50% we are back to the levels of alpha spread in an unvaccinated population and that is assuming everyone is vaccinated.

My opinion? Or scientific facts?

The vaccine is not 100% effective so of course you’ll find people who catch it. And will actually get quite ill. The efficacy of the vaccine quoted is about hospitalisation - you can get very ill without ending up needing oxygen.

@Mrbob

I read the scientific evidence but I don’t believe it so am going to ask some people on the internet as I am sure they know better

^this

Michael Gove, sure did a good job with his “fed up of experts” nonsense. Would you rather be treated by a journalist than a doctor for a serious medical condition?

@Mixmeup

I’m troubled by Andrew Marr’s story.

Actually, I’m pretty encouraged. He’s 61 with at least two pre-existing conditions. If the vaccines can mostly moderate this in most people to a couple of weeks out of action rather than hospital admission and CPAP, which the data suggests it does, this 3rd wave may not be a total catastrophe.

@Willyoujustbequiet

I'm in a hotspot. Highest rate in the country. Everyone seems to have it.

Anecdotally so completely unscientific but all those double jabbed who I know who have either got it or recently had it were Pfizer.
AZ seems to be offering better protection.

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I wonder if we live in the same place!

Quite a few of the older double jabbed staff at work (primary school) have had it recently. They all had az though. They all felt rough but were recovered by the time isolation ended. Loads of our single jabbed with pfizer staff and quite a few of my friends have had it recently mildly.

@CrouchEndTiger12

When I get a medical degree and specialise in virology and vaccines I'll give you my scientific facts.

Opinions from the general public are worthless. What do you hope to gain from asking this?

I'd go further, opinions on vaccine efficacy based on a few personal experiences are worse than useless, they can be positively dangerous.

As the answers show OP, everyone's experience is different so you won't get a single answer. I live in London and since the start of the year I've only known one person who has had covid. Even now I know of no-one. So arguably the virus is offering protection. Or you could equally argue that I just don't know of anyone.

Opinion? Surely, anyone who is not a virologist or involved directly in the manufacture or study of the vaccines is really not going to have anything useful to contribute here.

I don't have an "opinion" because I'm an English teacher.
I understand, from scientists and experts in the field, that no vaccine works 100% but the Covid vaccines we have so far are doing a pretty good job.
It's also worth noting that MN is full of astroturfers who have been promoting their various agendas (Covid doesn't exist/There'll be another lockdown/Great Reset/Herd Immunity/Hospitals are full/Hospitals are empty/schools must open/schools must close/vaccines good/vaccines kill/vaccines don't work/I've had the vaccine and am seriously ill with Covid) since March 2020.

The two double jabbed people I know who have caught Covid recently have both had Pfizer injections. (Although I didn't catch it when most of household did, and I'd also had Pfizer.)

Hopefully the vaccines will help to limit severe disease from Indian Delta but obviously not from infection and super spreading. Los Angeles have gone back to masking because of Indian Delta concerns. Those with less health privilege with preexisting medical issues such as obesity will be at most at risk as throughout this respiratory pandemic. All of us will be vulnerable as even with masks it will be just relative civil safety.

www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-07-17/l-a-county-mask-follow

With mask mandate, L.A. County now leads national battle against the Delta variant

Truth is, opinion is irrelevant.

Know a few people who have been double jabbed and caught symptomatic covid recently, 2 of whom felt just as rough as when they caught it pro-vaccine. Pfizer. Manageable on both occasion though.

@TalkingOutYerArse

Know a few people who have been double jabbed and caught symptomatic covid recently, 2 of whom felt just as rough as when they caught it pro-vaccine. Pfizer. Manageable on both occasion though.

You know people who've had covid plus two vaccines and now have it again just as badly?

Truth is, opinion is irrelevant.

Well yes but then you could say MN is irrelevant, it's just individuals posting their opinions.

Personally I don't think anyone can answer that at the moment. Yes case numbers are high and deaths are low so it looks good, however it is mid summer, last summer pre vaccines there were zero covid deaths in Scotland for example. The difference being cases were also low, or were they? Testing was really just starting and has increased massively since then. Then you have the new variants to consider.
Winter will be the real test of how well the vaccines work.

The vaccine is doing it's job in preventing the vast majority of people from hospitalisation and death.
Feeling extremely unwell but not needing to go to hospital does not count as serious illness

Everything people say on here is anecdotal though isn’t it.

6 people I know double jabbed have been very ill over the past few weeks (healthcare so got it earlier).

Me and dh who have chosen not to be vaccinated yet are fine. Tested positive because we both had a temp and a cough for one night and that was it. No other symptoms.

So in my little pool of 8, it’s been far worse for the vaccinated. That doesn’t mean anything though.

It’s an impossible question because people will be different ages, have different health conditions or none at all, and, as pp pointed out, not everyone is truthful! I have seen some terrible liars on here who trip up with their exaggerations. Many others are probably a bit more subtle.

We all joke about “man flu” and indeed there are always people whose cold was the worst ever or conversely those who are half dead but swear they can struggle on.

What an odd post op. Were you going for the ultimate anti science thread?

Since when did opinion matter in the slightest when we are taking about the effectiveness of a vaccine.

@QueenStromba

Yes. They caught it before vaccinations at the beginning if the pandemic, felt rough but managed fine with it. Both double vaxxed since and caught it again recently, feeling just like they did the first time.