Why are people saying that businesses can use the Magna Carta to remain open?

[Anon778833]

And avoid fines? People are suggesting this can happen and so far I've seen people following this advice and getting fines. Why they can't just do the right thing is beyond me.

Because they're idiots who don't have two brain cells to rub together...

Because their lack of historical knowledge is piss poor. As a historian/academic who was trained in the U.K. although I now live in the US, I despair sometimes. A lot of the time. (I was unbearable to live with during Brexit according to my Midwesterner DH...)

Are they also Freemen Of The Land?

Because they read it on the internet. I think it’s the same bunch who do the “freeman of the land” thing where they claim the laws don’t apply because Magna Carta and because they don’t have a name.

The state of education that grown adults can be taken in by this sort of tosh

They may be thinking of “No free man shall be seized, imprisoned, dispossessed, outlawed, exiled or ruined in any way,"

Claiming that by preventing 'him' from working, 'he' is being ruined. (I think 'he/him' has been expanded now.)

@SugarbabyMilly

And avoid fines? People are suggesting this can happen and so far I've seen people following this advice and getting fines. Why they can't just do the right thing is beyond me.

Because no matter how often the same bloke on YouTube tells them lies they never learn.

They want to believe the bullshit I guess

Because they are idiots.

Theres plenty of 'resources' on the Internet telling you that the Magna Carta defence can be used to avoid paying Council Tax. It can't.

This is my favourite 'description' of it:

This is me your honour, but I'm not me. I don't exist. The me you are looking for is the other me. He exists, but he's not here. I am representing me. I am here, but I'm not here. You can talk to me and and I will pass the information on to me. You can fine me, but that doesn't count, because it's the other me you want, and he's invisible. So there!"

It makes my blood boil when I watch these videos online of business people speaking to the police as if they are above them. Splurging out about the common law and Magna Carter the are total idiots!
The police need to knuckle down on them & make sure they are fined!
I bet they were first in the queue for the £10k grant!

I've had to close my business for 5 months this year, but I will not break rules and I would not be insured to work, it's simply not worth the risk.

Because they're fuckwits.

Because they think they are really clever.

Sheer ignorance....

Does Magna Carta mean nothing to you? Did she die in vain? Brave Hungarian peasant girl who forced King John to sign the pledge at Runnymede and close the boozers at half past ten! Is all this to be forgotten?

@Joiningthegossip

It makes my blood boil when I watch these videos online of business people speaking to the police as if they are above them. Splurging out about the common law and Magna Carter the are total idiots! The police need to knuckle down on them & make sure they are fined! I bet they were first in the queue for the £10k grant!

I've had to close my business for 5 months this year, but I will not break rules and I would not be insured to work, it's simply not worth the risk.

Yes I completely agree. It makes my blood boil too. I think they'd change their tune if any relative of theirs became very ill with Covid!

@LethargicLumpOfLockdownLard

Are they also Freemen Of The Land?

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@PaperTowels

Because they're fuckwits.

Succinct, and to the point.

There was a brilliant thread on this a couple of years ago, where some legal experts analysed the bonkers claims and surprisingly found them to be total bs. I think one or two "Freemen of the Land" actually joined in at one point. Kept me entertained for days!

Because they are fucking idiots.or "freemen of the land" as they prefer to call themselves
We have quite a few who refuse to pay council tax or parking fines. Most end up in prison for something eventually.

Fgs this is the new 'freeman on the land' rubbish.

Freemen on the Land

Utterly barking, the lot of them

Because they don't understand how law works.

And because Dunning-Kruger effect.

Good thread about FOTL if you really want to slip into a parallel universe for a while

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2095211-to-think-the-common-law-freeman-on-the-land-thing-is-a-whole-load-of-bollocks

Oh I spent many a happy hour reading the ‘Freeman on the land’ threads on here a few years ago. Fascinating read, if you like delving into that sort of brainless hysteria...

Because some people are spectacularly, unremittingly, thick.

I don't mean uninformed. It's fine not to know whether Magna Carta means you can keep your shop open. But a non-thick person actually checks whether it's true before opening their gob.

[quote meditrina]Good thread about FOTL if you really want to slip into a parallel universe for a while

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2095211-to-think-the-common-law-freeman-on-the-land-thing-is-a-whole-load-of-bollocks[/quote]
Ah, that was the one! Thank you, that's my weekend sorted :)

"Because they are idiots" isn't an answer.

I expect the OP is after some more information about the Magna Carta, and where all this stuff has come from. I'd be interested to know, as well.