Storyville BBC now Nova Music Festival

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It's on now. Awful.

Imagine if it was Glastonbury or Reading festivals. Just dancing and having fun.

We are discussing. Did you watch the programme?

Have you read the thread? I’ve said I watched and was devastated by it
Any criticism is being shut down by saying it’s supporting terrorism.
I’m not going any further with this.
RIP all those killed on October the 7th.

I agree. Let's keep this thread on topic, out of respect and compassion for the lives lost in the attack.

I'm sorry for your loss, @RogersOrganismicProcess . I know that pain too; please know you aren't alone.

Then you know the scale of what happened was completely unexpected. Yes there were failings and the consequences were and still are devastating.

Before 9/11 it was unthinkable that it would happen, it was the stuff of Hollywood, if you were to put in protocols to mitigate for it before it happened people would be resentful and incredulous and question your intelligence sources.

Israel has the iron dome, numerous bomb shelters, an alert system, guarded & gated kibbutzim, strict border controls, plentiful armed garrisons and justified paranoia of it's neighbours, but 7/10 happened. And people celebrated it & they tore down posters of kidnapped children. Some people do support terrorism and many have openly done so here, at least on mn they get deleted.

Exactly this

The time for asking hamas to lay down arms was when they were both at each other. That time is long gone and what has happened since is revenge gone mad and totally one sided.

I did not derail the thread... but please don't use a thread like this as a way to spread lies and propaganda. This is not that place. If you want to respect the dead, do it! I'm sure everyone would appreciate keeping the discussion respectful. There are other threads where you can say what you want about the marchers, and we will debate it there... but not here!

I am not spreading lies and propaganda. There are plenty of posters who are doing so on this and other threads.

Although I appreciate the point you're trying to make,I think it inappropriate for this thread. in this case we should keep our attention firmly focused on the real and only villains - Hamas. No one else is to blame for that day of utter evil, other than them. God bless the victims of oct 7th, they will never be forgotten.

There's plenty of room on this site to discuss hows, the whys the whos etc. This is a thread about the victims of Hamas on 7th October.

Surely we can keep this one on track?

Just finished watching.

It's heartbreaking

Those poor people

And it wasn't just "Hamas"

Ots available on BBC iplayer for anyone who missed it.

It's about the victims, shares the festival experience and then what happened. The terror of the victims and the vile slaughter of them, told by survivors, phone footage taken at the time, some cctv and body cam of the terrorists. Its there for all to see.

It shows the vileness and hatred of terrorists mindsets, so warped that they rejoice to their God whilst killing. They enjoyed themselves. There is no help for creatures like that.

Finally made it through the film after stopping and restarting a few times. There are simply no words for such unimaginable evil. Wishing the survivors the best possible recovery and thinking of the bereaved and the loved ones of the hostages.

I would like to say one more thing. I understand this thread is about the BBC Storyville documentary and the Nova Festival massacre, but a lot of you seem to be unaware that two of the victims who appeared in the film are in the UK and are publicly recommending we all watch it. There is a fundamental reason why they are doing this: because, like them, they feel the world never acknowledged or sympathised with Israel after the 7th of October attacks.

Our country allowed people to go onto the streets the very next day, praise Hamas for their actions, and openly celebrate the deaths of hundreds of Israeli men, women and children.

The subsequent pro-Palestinian marches in the UK and worldwide have successfully promoted a particular moral and political cause and point of view. They are not distinguishing the difference between anti-Jewish prejudice and legitimate disagreement with the actions of the Israeli state.

The truth is these marches have polarised public opinion and promoted violent extremism and hate speech against British Jews.

I, for one, will never stay silent about highlighting the rising tide of bigotry and racism directed at Jews that I see displayed every Saturday at the pro-Palestinian marches in London.

I think everything who goes on the marches should watch it.

"Everything"?

You know what she means fgs.

No, actually, I don't. That's why I've asked.

I know it was only meant to be about the festival but I also know the horror of what happened in the kibbutzim was even worse if that's even possible. I think at the end of the documentary there should have been some information given on what was found, shocking though it would be.

As a previous poster said, imagine if it was Reading. Any of our kids could have been travelling and been there.

May their memories be a blessing.

Everyone, it's a spell check correction

It was a spell check error. You know the predictive text

Thanks for clarifying.

I agree, everyone should watch it if they can.

I don't think the marches have polarised public opinion at all. In fact I have friends and family who attend, and who bring their children... because they are so upset at what is happening in gaza and they want to keep drawing attention to what Israeli government are doing and asking the governments to intervene. None of that is antisemitic. These people would not attend if they felt it was. These people know that it is the Israeli government that they are protesting against, not British Jewish people. In fact there are many British Jewish people at the march.

Your general sweeping prejudicial statement is not helpful.

FGS anyone knows that she means EVERYONE and she's right.

But why aren't they condoning Hamas? Why is it always and only Israel that is being told to lay down arms? Israel is the Jewish state. To expect them to just give way to terrorism is totally unrealistic and antisemitic.