Storyville BBC now Nova Music Festival

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It's on now. Awful.

Imagine if it was Glastonbury or Reading festivals. Just dancing and having fun.

@GentleScroller your excellent post is very helpful and pretty much sums it up

I 💯 agree with everything you've said and I'm ashamed at the way people in this country have focussed on this one cause to the exclusion of all others with the scarf wearing cultural appropriation and the disgusting chants and marches

They need to take a look at a map and see how Israel is surrounded in all sides by people who want them dead

@HelenHen If you could try not to derail the thread, that would be most helpful. Thank you

I didn’t make a general, sweeping, prejudicial statement. I pointed out a fact—a fact you conveniently chose to ignore. The truth is that pro-Palestinian supporters around the world celebrated the massacre in Israel. They chanted, “Resistance is justified,” which refers to legitimising the murder of unarmed Israeli citizens, and “Globalize the intifada”, which calls for aggressive resistance against Israelis, Jews and institutions supporting Israel. These are hostile remarks. Now, whether or not you’d say that is antisemitism, i.e. a prejudice against or hatred of Jews, I do not know. But what concerns me more is that you believe that every one alongside you in those marches only disagrees with the actions of the Israeli state and doesn't have an anti-Jewish prejudice.

If you think your fellow pro-Palestinian brother and sister are of the same mindset as you, then I am about to shatter your bubble. Please look at their comments on Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube because they enjoy discussing their attendance at these marches. They take pride in demonising Israel and Jews. They deliberately share propaganda and disinformation daily.

It’s all quite vile and counterproductive for the people in Gaza, but they sure are winning the media propaganda war. We've even got the BBC refusing to describe Hamas as a terrorist organisation. Legitimate resistance groups don’t butcher infants, abduct grandmothers, or brand children. They don’t use rape as a tactic to desecrate their victims. They don’t defile corpses and take their remains into another territory.

I watched a documentary on the massacre at Kibbutz Beeri. You see Hamas leading off an 82 year old woman to be executed. You see them leading off other civilians, including Kimneret Gat, the mother of Carmel Gat, to be executed.
You see then breaking into a house and executing a 92 year old man in his bed.
Even more concerning, is that you see ordinary Gazans entering the kibbutz to murder, rape and loot. In fact, some of the worst atrocities were conducted at this time
And this only what was directly filmed.
It doesn't excuse all that's gone on in Gaza but the absolute depravity of what happened that day explains a lot about the reaction.

Yeah, of course not all people on the marches but there's a lot that's about total destruction of israel.
In the US, which doesn't have the same anti terrorism laws, it's been totally nuts

That's right. Individual Gazan civilians came and took their human bounty (alive and also bodies) too whom they could then traffic to Hamas or Islamic Jihad for money or favours.

I don't have access to the full article, but here's a different point of view regarding security.

And this

www-timesofisrael-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.timesofisrael.com/key-idf-officer-reportedly-voiced-concern-about-nova-festival-but-was-told-to-ok-it/amp/?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#comments

I find this description not necessary on a thread where people feel pain over what happened

Try to focus on the victims

They were asking for it m'lud.....

Would it have made it better if only the kibbutzim residents were slaughtered and kidnapped?

You do realise don’t you that the marches are always on Saturdays, which is the Sabbath. Please don’t assume that the Jewish people who join them are in any way representative of or speak for the British Jewish community. They aren’t and they don’t. And their presence doesn’t mean that the marches aren’t antisemitic.
I mean, if there was a black person at a Tommy Robinson march you wouldn’t immediately say ‘hey everyone, look, Tommy and his followers aren’t racist, they’re just misunderstood.’

it was a shocking programme - the way people were murdered while the murderers ran around shouting 'Allahu Akbar' . The grenades being thrown into that shelter where the people were sheltering. It was incredibly painful to watch. I've been to Israel before (for work reasons). I just can't imagine how these poor young people felt. Lambs to the slaughter. I can't see how terrorist groups like Hamas who act with such brutality will ever settle for peace.

You make a perfect point. Attendees of these marches often refer to Jewish people being in attendance. That comment has been said to me on several occasions. Just because that is so doesn't make the marches automatically acceptable or legitimate. Walking for every person living through unimaginable conflict would have been the right thing. Whether intentional or not, the pro-Palestinian rhetoric has been a dominant force. Justifications for the massacre at the Nova Festival took less than 24 hours to appear on social media. The narrative and words of hate directed at Israelis, Jews and the hostages have not changed over the past 12 months. So that's why I question what these matches are genuinely about, and I doubt the sincerity of all who attend them.

It was. I'm glad people are watching it. It's important not to forget that terrorists will do these things. They pretend it's resistance and some people nod along with that. I say rape, torture and slaughter of these people is not resistance it's vile.

I am not a hateful person, and I can see that you are genuinely appalled and upset at the loss of civilian life in Gaza, as so am I. But describing the acts perpetrated by Hamas as acts of horror is inadequate. There should be no disparity between the loss of life in Israel and the loss of life in Gaza, but there is.

That is why many of us are suggesting that pro-Palestinian supporters watch the BBC documentary about the massacre at the Nova Festival to raise awareness of the lives lost in Israel. If, and I am not referring to, you can’t show empathy and sympathy with civilians in Israel affected by the 7/10 attacks and publicly show support for the release of the hostages held captive in Gaza for the past 12 months, you are not walking for every person living through unimaginable conflict.

I want people to stand up to antisemitism and join the memorial walk to remember all the victims of the 7th of October attack who were murdered by an ideology that hates Israel and Jews.

@GentleScroller So you attend Palestine matches as well as the one you suggest I attend? You are at all the matches for whomever they concern?

I note my post has been removed. Descriptions of widely available footage is more offensive than the events themselves.
lets watch footage of Nova but let us not READ about the deaths of Palestinians.
I suppose that doesn’t work when you are trying to dehumanise people. This is exactly how genocide happens. With your support and approval.

Well said.

Because Israel is currently invading and annihilating multiple countries.

The pro Palestine marches are just that. They are not anti Israel or antisemitic. If you want an anti hamas march, go to one. It is not up to you to demand which cause people get out and march for.

It's not antisemitic to ask Israeli government to stop killing women and children and bombing refugee camps and schools.

At what point do you say 'actually yeh, maybe Israel should stop now'? Is there a point?

They? Why are you allowed to generalise like that?

Who is 'they'? You cannot label the people I know like that based on the actions of a few. You cannot take a group of people and lump them all into 'they'. Your prejudice is shining through.

If you have proof of this, report it.

Indeed... focus on the victims... not the marches. There's plenty of threads for that

It would be really lovely and respectful to the victims of 7th October, if this thread about the programme which documents their terror was kept to remembering them.

There are so many other threads.

The programme was well made and in my opinion important for people to watch to see some of what occurred on 7th October.

Israel will stop only when she feels safe against the terrorists of Hamas and Hezbollah. Israel is not annihilating other countries. Give your head a wobble!