Storyville BBC now Nova Music Festival

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It's on now. Awful.

Imagine if it was Glastonbury or Reading festivals. Just dancing and having fun.

This massacre has revealed the very worst in human beings... the fascist murderers and those who celebrate or accept or excuse them... remember the triumphant pro Palestine demonstrations.. just the morning after? Days before any retaliation by Israel.
The goodness and humanity of those young people survives them...

I just saw on Instagram the Jewish Chronicle said the BBC was showing this film tonight. I hope some people that have heard of Nova but are not entirely across the details watch it and see how horrific it truly was. For people to realise - that could have been me, or that could have been my sister, brother, cousin, best friend, girlfriend, boyfriend neighbour etc. and see the humanity of these poor innocent souls.

It’s been quite sickening to see for the last 11-12 months, no one really caring about the victims of this atrocity or acknowledging the pain of the family and friends left behind.

Im not Jewish or Israeli, I just abhor antisemitism. And make no mistake, it’s not a grievance over land that’s driving those fucking animals Hamas - it’s an ideology catalysed by antisemitism. If it was the former, this bitter conflict would have been resolved decades ago.

I'm so sick of this modern “woke" paradigm that has infiltrated "progressive” circles, and that is particular prevalent on the far left: whoever is perceived to have less power, whoever is the supposed “victim” can basically get a free pass to do whatever they want (and it’s all completely artificial this false “oppressor vs oppressed” narrative that some credulous westerners buy into, the ones you see marching up and down in central London every bloody Saturday, making the Westend a no go zone for Jews). Even if you're facing the most awful circumstances there is nothing, no kind of grievance that could possibly justify the raping, the torturing, the beheading, the burning of Jews and Israelis and migrant workers and the hostage taking that occurred on Oct 7th.

The more people indulge in this bigotry of low expectations, the more you're going to encourage the Palestinian leadership and their citizens to commit heinous acts like Oct 7th, the more people (westerners) bury their heads in the sand the and ignore the actual problem - the actual problem being a hateful ideology that cannot make space for the Jewish people and their sovereignty - we’re never going to end this conflict.

As another PP upthread said: FUCK HAMAS, and the people who excuse them.

Glad you asked - of course it did:

https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/music/charlotte-church-palestine-church-worthy-farm-welsh-b1167539.html

https://www.middleeasteye.net/trending/uk-glastonbury-support-palestine-celebrated-online#:~:text=Displays%20of%20pro%2DPalestinian%20support,%22unfair%20war%22%20in%20Gaza.

I agree- I found that very upsetting.

That was so heartbreaking - but I am glad their suffering was short. And their memory represents all that is loving and joyful and kind.

No Glastonbury was all people waving Palestinian flags

It was so moving. I want to broadcast it so the left wing nutters who are currently supporting the far right wing islamic jihadists can see what they are actually supporting..!

It was horrific to watch but it wasn't out of a vacuum.
It's not black and white or a left v right debate.
The attack on 7th October was horrific.
The decimation of Gaza has been horrific and effected people that had nothing to do with this.
I can see both sides and both awful. Currently Gaza is far worse.

This thread isn't about Gaza. There's literally hundreds of other threads where you can express your thoughts about that.

An incredibly powerful programme. It was very hard to watch but I’m glad I did.

It's beyond any words. I hope it reaches a wide audience. Those who excuse 7th October won't want to see it.
May the memory of every victim be a blessing.

Oh please!

You can’t distinguish between the people who burn families alive/ rape/ behead / mutilate and so on from the people who inadvertently kill innocent people while trying to kill the perpetrators - the terrorists - who burn families alive/ rape/ behead / mutilate and so on…I don’t believe you, you are so cynical.

What about the fact that Israel abides by the international rules of war? And the fact they take more care to avoid civilian casualties than NATO? This is borne out by the combatant to civilian casualty ratio of 1:2 in Gaza. According to the UN, in modern urban warfare, the average is 1:9. America and coalition partners which included the UK bombed the hell out of ISIS. And they weren't given the warnings that Israel provides Gazans. Where was your outrage then?!

You think that giving Gazan civilians advanced warnings to leave particular areas by sending text messages and dropping leaflets is worse than showing up at kibbutzes - by surprise - and torturing children in front of their parents and parents in front of their children?! What is wrong with you?

All the while it hasn’t even entered your head, I suppose, that hamas has perfected the art of embedding itself the civilian landscape so that an opposing army cannot hit hamas without hitting the civilians around them. Other armies have tried this, no one has perfected it like hamas have. I agree that with all the absolute tragedy and suffering amongst Palestinians this creates, it's shit, yet that is how hamas themselves have chosen to wage this war.

A horrific watch. I am glad I watched it but I feel so empty and broken. I truly hope some of the people who need to watch this do so.

Well done BBC. As from as it is October 7th needs documenting and documenting well. One reason is quite simply is that there will be October 7th denial and having widespread and continual awareness is vital. I also hope alongside documentaries like this there are physical memorials as well.

One thing that struck me is that a lot of the youth in the UK can really relate to festivals and I think you can see a new generation that has unfortunatly had to see the dark side of humanity.
RIP

I bet there was some resistance when the commissioners were considering this as I bet some at the BBC would not want to produce a document that was politically sensitive in some eyes. So we'll done getting it made however harrowing it is.

It would be good not to rehearse the arguments that we've had on other threads here. There are dozens of threads where those arguments are raging and the story of the 7 October attacks and the victims, those who died, those who were kidnapped & those who survived, barely get a look in. Maybe here we could focus on them and the film here.

Sorry for the aside but will there be a national memorial in Israel to the victims? I was in MY after the twin towers attacks and the twin beams of light shining form the building footprints was particularly poignant. Would love to think the nova sight could be filled with lights.

May their memories be a blessing.

We must not forget them. We must not look away.

We must not.

https://www.safeheartil.com/en

Link to a charitable project providing mental health support to survivors. (Disclaimer: please research any organisations thoroughly yourself, I cannot vouch for the management of the organisation, other ways to support people are available).

Burning man in America had a big memorial, it was beautifully done from the pictures I saw. very fitting given it is also a desert festival.

I’ve heard talk that they will turn the nova festival area into a permanent memorial.

There’s a permanent memorial site in israel to 9/11, I can’t imagine there won’t be fixed memorial site(s?) for 7/10 too.

Ive also heard talk about fixing a Remembrance Day too. I’m not sure what date, as 7/10 was on the Jewish festival of Simchat Torah, which is traditionally the culmination of the period of the High Holy days, and one of the happiest days of the year. As that’s a Jewish date, it follows the Jewish calendar so it occurs on a different secular calendar day every year, and there is no way they would be able to make Simchat Torah the Memorial Day .

I haven’t watched the film, although I’m glad it’s been made. I’ve also not been down the nova site or the kibbutzim, same reason that although I’ve read the holocaust diaries series, I never went to the actual camps. I don’t think I could bear it. I hardly slept after 7/10, and I can’t go back to that place I was in. Ive seen footage and read/heard testimonials of family members, emergency rescue workers, survivors and freed hostages, and it was harrowing.

I'm so sorry. Protect your mental health too, and please know that there are people around the world who care.

That's lovely.