Can you be anti-Zionist without being antisemitic?

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I’m inclined to think the answer is no, but I’ve seen a lot of people on here recently attempting to say that they’re not antisemitic, they’re just anti-Zionism. I would love to hear someone explain how they imagine that works.

As I understand it, Zionism is a political ideology which says that Jews should have self determination in their homeland. Many minority indigenous peoples want, and have, some level of self determination, from fully sovereign states to devolution or reserves with different laws. The world overwhelmingly supports that. What is the moral argument against self determination for Jews?

You're not antisemitic, you just think there shouldn't be a Jewish state. Uh huh.

you just think there shouldn't be a Jewish state.
Do you think there should be a Palestinian state?

Yes, not that it's relevant.

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Believing in the Jewish people’s right to self-determination is not incompatible with believing that the way Israel was established and/or has been maintained and expanded is antithetical to the rights of the Palestinian people. (Almost) Everyone agrees that both Israelis and Palestinians have rights. The disagreement is around what a just balance of those rights looks like.

I think you should look a little more closely at the politics of Australia, Canada and US indigenous people. People certainly do say that those states should never have been created and require immense reparations. You’ll find very few people on pro-Palestinian marches, who disagree. You’ll also find similar people standing up for the Rohingya people.
In fact every country where there is a clash of beliefs about the “correct” ethnic makeup of a country has these conflicts.
Israel is the only one I can think of with an active conflict where the UK government sells arms to and gives considerable active support to one side.

Yes, not that it's relevant.
Not relevant? Seriously?

I’ve given my explanation for my stance earlier in the thread if you’d bothered to read. I don’t have an issue with the idea that Jewish people have the right to self determination or their own homeland given the persecution they’ve suffered. What I strongly disagree with is how this political theory manifested in reality - ie the state of Israel which was founded following the forced displacement of Palestinians from their homeland to make way for this state - and where Jewish supremacy is now enshrined by law. In practice, Zionism has meant Palestinians are dispossessed of their land and homes and brutalized on a daily basis in the name of Jewish security. That is why I am an anti-Zionist. It is not because I have any hatred towards Jewish people as a religious or ethnic group (I don’t) or because I believe they don’t also deserve to live in peace.

Yes.

Yes

Lol, okay then