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Conflict in the Middle East

The truth about the Israeli government

31 replies

beachcitygirl · 18/11/2023 22:06

From their own mouths.

Listen to the ultra hard right terrorist cabinet ministers of Israel in their own words

x.com/carleckett/status/1725540121196302723?s=46&t=CDaDBOo42AUxl1VZxDymlA

The entire Israeli government needs to be in The Hague.

Genocidal maniacs the likes of which we haven't seen since Slobodan Milošević

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Roste · 18/11/2023 22:32

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OuiOuiKitty · 18/11/2023 22:38

When someone tells you who they are, listen. Why are people choosing not to listen? Because it is so awful they want to persuade themselves it's not true or because they too believe that Palestinians are less than human and deserve it? At this point I can only believe that it is the latter. Israel have said and done too much that shows people that they mean what they say and still people choose to remain quiet or choose to but Hamas. It's been a real education.

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 19/11/2023 09:20

Reading the threads on here has been eye opening. I'm shocked at just how many people are just denying what Israel are doing and believing the lies that they tell but not what they are actually saying. As you say, when someone tells you who they are, listen.

I did ask why they fall for it on another thread but surprise surprise I didn't get an answer.

FOJN · 19/11/2023 11:40

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 19/11/2023 09:20

Reading the threads on here has been eye opening. I'm shocked at just how many people are just denying what Israel are doing and believing the lies that they tell but not what they are actually saying. As you say, when someone tells you who they are, listen.

I did ask why they fall for it on another thread but surprise surprise I didn't get an answer.

Confidently asserting you are wrong and can't trust the evidence of your own eyes and ears is just gaslighting. I'm not sure why some posters persist, it doesn't work anymore.

There is always the accusation that anyone who opposes the Israeli government and IDF actions must be really gullible or stupid and believes Hamas propaganda. I'm not looking at SM or anything from Hamas, I'm listening to what the Israeli government say and watching the actions of the IDF. Hamas don't need to produce propaganda when Israel is doing such a bad job if their own, the IDF are killing thousands of civilians, and many Israeli politicians sound like complete psychopaths.

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 19/11/2023 11:44

@FOJN exactly. They're doing a good enough job on their own

Edinburghmusing · 19/11/2023 11:46

Have any of you watched the footage of the Has massacre?

DugInLikeAnAlabamaTick · 19/11/2023 12:04

What Hamas did was appalling but what Israel is doing is appalling

Lamelie · 19/11/2023 12:06

Edinburghmusing · 19/11/2023 11:46

Have any of you watched the footage of the Has massacre?

Yep. The phrase fuck around and find out comes to mind.

FOJN · 19/11/2023 12:10

Edinburghmusing · 19/11/2023 11:46

Have any of you watched the footage of the Has massacre?

Yes. Can you tell me why 2 million civilians should be bombed indiscriminately and deprived of food, water, medical care and places to shelter because of the actions of a terrorist organisation that the Israeli government lost control of after they supported and funded it to cause division in Palestinian politics and destroy the possibility of a two state solution?

Echobelly · 19/11/2023 12:11

They are an awful lot - not only in their dehumanising attitude towards Palestinians, but of late they have been trying to make Israel increasingly into an undemocratic theocracy, taking away judicial independents and privileging certain types of Judaism over others.

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 19/11/2023 12:39

For those Pro Israeli when will you condemn them?

Below is a video of an Israeli settler running over Israeli protestors.

www.instagram.com/reel/CzzjZ_TIP8j/?igshid=N2ViNmM2MDRjNw==

Chaitales · 19/11/2023 12:45

We can only hope that one day they will be tried for war crimes.

That won't bring Palestinian lives back or the beautiful, beautiful, country that has been destroyed by Israel and dehumanised by the world. But it will bring some semblance of justice.

TheONLYcarbsIEatAreChocolateCrispsandCrumpets · 19/11/2023 13:12

FOJN · 19/11/2023 12:10

Yes. Can you tell me why 2 million civilians should be bombed indiscriminately and deprived of food, water, medical care and places to shelter because of the actions of a terrorist organisation that the Israeli government lost control of after they supported and funded it to cause division in Palestinian politics and destroy the possibility of a two state solution?

Yes, Israel wanted Hamas to disrupt the healthy progress Yasser Arafat was making . . .
Blowback: How Israel Went From Helping Create Hamas to Bombing It (theintercept.com)

Blowback: How Israel Went From Helping Create Hamas to Bombing It

Hamas wants to destroy Israel, right? But as Mehdi Hasan shows in a new video on blowback, Israeli officials admit they helped start the group.

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 19/11/2023 15:19

Please have a listen to Lauren Dubois.

www.instagram.com/reel/Cz0n7-qpcPV/?igshid=N2ViNmM2MDRjNw==

watchingtheworldwithwoe · 19/11/2023 15:26

www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-helicopter-opened-fire-on-israelis-in-festival-during-hamas-attack-on-oct-7-report/3058257

One of many articles stating the outcome of the Israeli investigation into the tragic events on 7th October. The IDF were responsible for a number of the deaths that occurred.

fuckssaaaaake · 19/11/2023 15:28

watchingtheworldwithwoe · 19/11/2023 15:26

www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-helicopter-opened-fire-on-israelis-in-festival-during-hamas-attack-on-oct-7-report/3058257

One of many articles stating the outcome of the Israeli investigation into the tragic events on 7th October. The IDF were responsible for a number of the deaths that occurred.

I don't believe everything I read. On either side

Divinespark · 19/11/2023 15:31

Chaitales · 19/11/2023 12:45

We can only hope that one day they will be tried for war crimes.

That won't bring Palestinian lives back or the beautiful, beautiful, country that has been destroyed by Israel and dehumanised by the world. But it will bring some semblance of justice.

Hopefully

Chaitales · 19/11/2023 15:37

Can't believe people are sticking to "but Israel is a benevolent government that gives Gazans everything..."

The truth about the Israeli government
feralunderclass · 19/11/2023 15:40

wipe them out completely and leave no memory of them

😔😔😔

Pthalo · 19/11/2023 18:41

Good article on the history which raises the important question of if Israel’s previous actions created the Hamas we have today, what are their current actions going to create?

https://time.com/6324221/hamas-origins-history/

What the World Can Learn From the History of Hamas

The history of the group is a story of unintended consequences.

https://time.com/6324221/hamas-origins-history/

Edinburghmusing · 22/11/2023 16:58

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Chaitales · 22/11/2023 17:00

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What absolute nonsense. If you knew a single Palestinian woman or followed anyone on social media (gazan girl, byplestia) you would know this is a patent lie.

Towerofsong · 22/11/2023 17:10

watchingtheworldwithwoe · 19/11/2023 15:26

www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-helicopter-opened-fire-on-israelis-in-festival-during-hamas-attack-on-oct-7-report/3058257

One of many articles stating the outcome of the Israeli investigation into the tragic events on 7th October. The IDF were responsible for a number of the deaths that occurred.

  1. It says injured not deaths.
  2. It's a Turkish website, they aren't exactly neutral.
  3. It is based on a report given by a Hamas terrorist under interview. Hardly the most credible source.
  4. He (the terrorist) said the gunmen had no prior knowledge of the peace festival. Absolute nonsense. They went in shooting and flushed people out and they already had all the exits covered. This was a well planned operation ahead of time.

How about waiting for official investigations down the line instead of reporting what an organisation said that a newspaper said that a terrorist said.

Unless of course your antisemitism is so fucking strong that you just want to blame Israelis for their own deaths in October 7th.

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 22/11/2023 17:15

@Edinburghmusing
You might want to take a look at this report into the horrific crimes committed by Israel. It details the treatment of detained Palestinian children by the Israeli authority.

go.skimresources.com?id=470X1716091&xs=1&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.refworld.org%2Fpdfid%2F46c190460.pdf%5B%2Fquote&sref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mumsnet.com%2Ftalk%2Fconflict-in-the-middle-east%2F4942068-be-aware-of-misinformation-seen-regarding-palestine%3Freply%3D130906552

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