Feisty Fabulous Forty somethings - part 2

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woohoo over here

I should clarify, I will be watching him in x-factor live tour on Sunday

Well, I missed all that cos I was shagging and sleeping! Now it's morning and you lot have all gone to bed....

The Tsunami isn't going to be a problem for Oz. And even if it was I'm in the south west corner of the continent, miles away from any trouble. Our little part of the world has been untouched by flood,fire and other natural disasters, although last year there was an extremely large fire very near here which was scary. But mostly all is calm. Charlie and I have had everyday at the beach this week, it's been gloriously sunny, the tide has been out and the water crystal clear and beautiful. Check it out angieathome.blogspot.com/2011/03/hanging-at-beach.html

Curly, your question: if you had a + opk, then I'd expect you to ovulate in the next couple of days. I usually have a + and O pain later in the day, then I O the next day and temp rises the day after O. Can you post a link to your chart?You have to have it on your home page, if you don't have one, it is easy to set up. This is mine:www.fertilityfriend.com/home/186327 Fertility Friend won't put in your O day until you've had three days of higher temps.

Tina, my understanding of Agnus Castus is that it is supposed to regulate hormones. When I had a very long cycle I took it to shorten it. If the first part of your cycle is very long, like more than 16 days to ovulate, or very short, according to Randine Lewis my fertility guru, it doesn't make for the best eggs. It did help with my cycle.And now my naturopath says I might need it to lengthen my LP which is 12 days. I disagree with her, I don't think 12 days is too short,and I don't want to take the chance of screwing things up by taking agnus castus.
It might also take a couple of months for it to regulate your hormones. If you can be bothered, read "The Infertility Cure" by Randine Lewis www.amazon.com/Infertility-Cure-Ancient-Wellness-Pregnant/dp/0316172294
It gives all sorts of great information about how to regulate things. I love it.It's like my bible!

As for me, I am wondering if giving up sugar (I have totally given it up, have had none for a whole week!)has brought my ovulation up earlier. I got a peak on the monitor yesterday and a + opk, which is the earliest it's been since before Charlie. I have read that sugar really interferes with hormone production, and I have to admit to having an addiction to it. I have always been a real health freak, but always justified my consumption of sugar because I would make things gluten free and from scratch, but I was always craving it, having slumps in the day and reaching for more sugar, and putting on way too much weight since getting pregnant with Charlie.

I just hope I can keep it up and that it will help with weight and hormones.

Has anyone else here used a monitor? I did before Charlie, but it all feels new again. I got a "peak" yesterday, and a "peak" today, but I have a feeling today isn't as fertile as yesterday. I had a +opk in the morning and a negative opk in the afternoon. Had ovulation pain at about 10pm, so I am guess the egg would already be on it's way? I suppose I should try to get another shag in today (managed twice yesterday: feeling like a sex goddess - amazing what the desire for a baby will do to one's desire)My DH was very pleased and there was no mention of contraceptives - so I'm guessing he's resigned to the ttc thing...

Personally, George Clooney gets my juices flowing.That man is absolutely gorgeous. I watched The American last night. Oh my - he is lovely naked...The movie itself wasn't great.I felt there was a bit missing from the plot, didn't fully understand a few things, but it was just nice to watch him...swoon.

morning all

hey gum, your week sounds idyllic. DS and I have been on the beach a couple of times too this week, but a very different experience !! I'm totally with you on the Mr Clooney thing. Have loved him since the beginning of time ER. Him and Paolo Maldini do it for me... I'm afraid I don't get the random men on train urge signal for ov, think that's quite clever though!

Woke up at 5 needing to pee, feeling full of cold and with that lower tummy sensation that period was on her irritating merry way. Haven't had any spotting or anything yet which is unusual for day 26 today. So I have that ridiculous glimmer of hope that you know is just going to whack you round the chops and guffaw loudly at you later on .

Wave to all - must shake a leg...

Ah, Jolls, maybe this time it won't whack you round the chops...It's a great sign if you've had no spotting. And those other symptoms sound good, and you know that pre-AF feeling can be a sign too Crossing fingers, toes, legs for you. Hmmm, perhaps not legs as I have ewcm for the first time - proper stuff, proper amounts, not just a smidgen, for the first time in a very long time. Can you tell I'm very excited. Sorry if that was TMI

Weird thing is that my cervix is firm and closed, so I am guessing it's not really fertile time anymore, but perhaps was a few hours ago? I dunno. I'm going to just be glad that things seem to be going well hormonally for me, and that means maybe I'm on the right track to getting upduffed. I wonder if all these changes in the right direction are because I gave up breastfeeding and my hormones are normalising. Much more likely than the giving up sugar thing, but whatever it is, I'm happy!

Oh Gum your life is lovely,your beach beautiful i m so jealous and your kids.....arh....

Hippy healthy debate is good!!!!!!!!!!!!

Diege No a knidle is way more expensive about £150 however you can down load and have approx 6000 books at any time.They re lighweight,portable etc.... I ll let you know how i get on with it..Hope you re ok? Enjoy "X factor"

Hi Curly hope you re ok?XX

Hi Jolls hopefully no af for you XXX

NOW George Clooney i get

Hi all XXXXXXXXX

Fely sick as a dog intermittently last night then again this am which is all good.Right, i m off to buy my Kindle.Later i ll be conducting a teaching session for all non converts,Diege !!!!!

Morning! Mmmm the downloading books thing does make it seem quite appealing Lou - you watch, I'll be Kindle's biggest convert before you know it
Gum I am also struck down by extreme . It must be blissful living where you do. Have you always lived there?
Off to get the train soon - woke feeling very sick this morning, and still feel rough now, but this is nothing on hyperemesis so feel grateful that it's started later, and for now I can eat! Excellent news on your sickness too Lou if that makes sense, though I don't think you had it with Georgie did you so you're probably not as obsessive about getting it as me (I never got any nausea with my mc/mmc).
Right, bowl of soup then I'm off!

Oh and enjoy your shopping trip too Lou!

Is it too late to order my regular paella?

Louise glad you finished the story.
How is Everyone?
Hippy how is the move going?
Panshe how are the plans, any new developments yet?
Lia what?s happening with you?
Also, can I ask, has anyone been to Disneyland, Paris? Is it good? I went years ago but not with kids. My DD keeps on about it as kids go free! (Under 7, mum, I won't be under 7 next year!). BUT I am not keen to go to USA and can't afford it. Closest we will get is a weekend in Paris for Euro Disney. We have friends who live in France so I may sense holiday for next year being planned!

I tried Agnus Castus but my periods stopped altogether when I was using it THAT MAY HAVE BEEN COINCIDENCE BUT PEROSNALLY I WOULD NOT TRY IT AGAIN. My periods have now re-started but I am now on Thyroid medication so who knows what is going on!

Jolls, muchlove, Alba, Diege, Gum, Tina, Tank, Nicole, OooohShiny, Curley, Shandybass and Lol - Waves and hugs to all*.

I really can't say about Agnus Castus because maybe I just had a bad experience or maybe two things are unrelated!

Good old italian always rolls in on a saturday expecting the Friday Night Bistro to be open - bless her .

I haven't been to Disneyland Paris either (I did go to Disneyland in LA but that was many years ago).

Sounds like a good plan though and she will love you forever if you take her

lou and diege glad you feel sick.

I was so in love with George Clooney back in the ER days that I printed off a picture of him and laminated it. I think my friends did wonder why the laminate???

Gum that BEACH!!! Sod the fertility chart, that should be on my home page. Stunning.

diege and lou delighted that the nausea has come upon you. Long may it continue

Italian do you fancy a nice Saturday lunchy/brunchy thing instead? I miss the Bistro every Friday because of work. And I really fancied rosemary duck with sweet potato

Pink cm, v deflated boobs and nausea (probably because I'm tired)and twingy tummy. Oh, and a bit of an attitude. Think I'll take the dog for a walk to stop me obsessing. Fingers crossed, Jolls on your twinges.

Hi all.
I'm most of the way through my first month temp charting and not seeing any pattern. I'm up to Cd19 and my temps have been at 97.4 at Cd4 on dipping down to 96.6 on Cd11 and raising back to 97.3ish now. It doesn't make any sense, or does it mean I'm not ovulating?

Before I've used opk and get a + around Cd 12ish but that hasn't worked so I thought I'd try temping.

The time I take the temp can vary depending on dd2's waking times but I can't do much about that.

Has anyone else had this? Or any possible explanations? You can be straight with me.

Love to all, especially George C, I've gone off him a bit but he beats Mel Gibson now who also used to be a fave of mine.

Shandy Bass I have got rid of the thermometer because it really really got me down in the end but for what its worth my temps really jumped around depending on wether i had been drinking, had a disturbed night or was a bit under the weather but there was a rise to a higher level. This tended to be a bit of a gradual thing rather than immediately obvious jump and easier to see at the end of the month. It gave me more of a general "hit zone" of a few days rather than one specific day for Oday . The one month there was no shift I had a very strange one day AF and then another one 15 days later, my temps went up on CD4 or something strange like that ...think it all happened very late or something ? you have got to bear in mind that temperature will only rise after the big O and can rise slowly rather than in one big slug ...hope that helps.

Gum I want to live where you do...would improve the dog walk no end if not the dogs behaviour

Italian have never done Disney but I am trying to fob the kids off with Alton Towers this summer due to house renovation induced dire poverty so no real holiday on offer....seems to be working so far

CD 27 now and feel rubbish today headache tired etc trying v hard not to read anything into it... keep calm and carry on

Happy w/e to all

Thank you isaboo. I'll keep going and try and see the pattern. I'm just getting very impatient with it all. It all looks so obvious in Toni's book and it's got my mind wandering to pre-menopause, thyroid and all those other things mentioned in the book.

Fingers crossed and everything else for you on Cd27 and counting.

just popping in quickly before bed...

CD1 today with a vengeance, with only a tiny bit of coloured mucus yesterday. My acu says that's a good thing, so am focusing on that . It's also been much heavier than recently (the last couple of years really) and TMI ALERT was quite clotty, at one point very much so - quite disconcerting what I was passing.

Sad of course, but I had revised my expectations as didn't expect to be pregnant as seemingly I am no longer as fertile as before (3pgs in 12 months, 2 of them first month). A little BFO there for you. Bleedin' feckin' obvious .

Have decided I must start eating better/less crap. And stop drinking! As it's looking unlikely I'm going to be pregnant any time soon, I really MUST lose some weight for the summer. Relying on being pregnant is no tactic for dealing with the nightmare that is summer wardrobe...!

Hope everyone's ok x

Yes, Lol as it is a virtual bistro I think I should be able to visit whenever I like!

Isaboo Yes, we are broke too, but I kind of resent the pressure from Disney to take my kid there, she is quoting the ads at me, it makes me mad!

How is everyone?

Panshe, Tina how are you ladies doing?

And lovely Lou, Louise how are you?

Can anyone tell me if Lia had her baby yet?

Diege all Ok with you?

I accidently started reading back on an old thread from Feb where you were all dancing in 3 inch heels (Muchlove) and pissed and slurring your words Hippy - it was quite surreal when I realised it was out of date!

Jolls, Alba, Gum, Tank, Nicole, OooohShiny, Curley, Shandybass and Lol - Waves and hugs and baby dust to all*.

hi all, no news here. CD10 but still no peak etc. another scan today to check the follicles though which is always interesting.

sorry af arrived jolls - understand what you mean about revising expectations - I've done the same, and it is slightly easier. I have actually started losing some weight now too, like you I was expecting to be pg and fat and was going to wait until after that. But instead I am just fat. The thought of me in photos on holiday has spurred me on a bit.

shandy I stopped taking my temp as it was too unreliable. Like you I woke up at different times, or had restless nights, and it just skewed the charts too much. Now I just rely on opks (obviously not too successfully) and think I dtd over ovulation pretty much. then I am spared the tyranny of the thermometer and obsessive reading of my charts.

Hello to everyone else!

We were in L this weekend - looks like the move is going ahead. eek.!

morning all - thanks to Diege et al for the info on agnus castus, I've decided to stop using it as really there wasn't anything wrong with my cycles before I just thought it might help with progesterone production so had a go with it.

I'm on day 15 now still on a high with no sign of ovulation so I'm pretty hacked off, am hoping this is just a one off and I'm back to normal next time, but it's stressed me out worrying.

Yesterday hubby and I went to the pub and there was a beautiful little girl that kept waving at me, I had tears in my eyes and felt really distressed as i want one myself sooo much

Tina I m sure this month will be a one off.As i said i ve had the same and you re still not out this month yet.Chin up chuck [I know it stinks]

BB Enjoy your scan.How interesting.EEK living in the "big smoke" we re off to London at the end of May to see "Billy Elliot" love London for a weekend but couldn t live there!!!!!

Hi Italian i m fine.Thanks.How are you? I think theres a need for the bistro to be open more , particularly in these days of a recession surely they can t be making any profits???? Open once a week???? Nice work if you can get it!!! Wonder whats happening with LIA?????

Jolls sorry af got you.But we have to look at the positive as your acc says , but its still a pisser.I know i feel a little better when i start improving my diet.Not been swimming for 2 weeks so not good.Got rip roaring thrush at the moment [lovely] so don t want to aggrevate it by swimming at the moment.

Diege how you doing? My Kindle is totally fabulous much slimmer than is shown on the tv.You know you re going to end up with one!!!! You rung epu yet girl??????

Hippy morning old mucker1!!! You ok? Hope you ve got that bloody tip of a house cleaned up?????

Hi Shandy hope you re ok?

Hi Isaboo hope you feel a bit better.

Hi Gum good for ewcm yeh!!!!!!!!

Hi everyone else hope all are well? Been to the drs for a return to work note but apparently don t need one now and shes going to speak to my community midwive to complete my referral back to my consultant once i ve rung them after the scan.She wanted me to make a booking in appointment with Chris[my midwive] as none left to April now but, said i ll wait until i ve had the scan.Superstitious me????????????????

Last day of freedom, work tomorrow, well i say work only theres Tues and Thurs am this week.Now thats my kind of working week!!!!

Morning! Hope everyone's well. X-factor was good fun, though the screams for One Direction (or 'Wand Erection' as I think they can them on MN) were a little overwhelming. Friend enjoyed herself though (it was her birthday treat)and it would good to stay over and not have the usual 6am alarm.
Sorry for af Jolls although that's good about the lack of any real spotting beforehand.
Tina I wouldn't get too concenred as yet about disappearing ov - you're still well within 'normal# ov timescale, although I do see where you're coming from re: what's usual for you.
BB must be good to be having the scans and feel thagt you at least have some control. How is the clomid going?
Lou, glad the kidle is living up to expectations...I bought a paperback from Waterstones at the weekend and thought of you as I was handing over my £7.99
Italian lol at out of context threads - not sure I can remember that one!
Well hyperemesis has hit last night - nothing quite like a 2am vomit alarm clock. So I have taken assertive action and have seen the emergency GP this morning who has prescribed me cyclizine. It's one of the older anti-emetics and has a long track record of being safe in the first trimester, so ok about taking it ( I think).
Oh and lou just reading your post has promoted me to ring EPU - they are ringing me back so fingers cropssed I'll have a scan date soon. Oh and snap re: booking in. Gp asked me if I'd like him to refer me to the midwife today but I said no I'll wait for the scan and then ring up!

Diege sorry I feel really mean now wishing you morning sickness. it was for all the right reasons! is great pregnancy is establishing itself... sorry you are feeling rotten ...

Lou good luck going back to work tomorrow will be good to have a distraction as the days will go quicker

Tina don't give it up yet my Oday was late this time but came eventually

Got a BFN (CD28 and no spotting yet) this morning from one of those digital things. I have never used one before and I am inclined to be suspicious of them. " NOT PREGNANT" it said pompously so I had a bit of a weep and then I thought I " I will not accept automated peestick is right" ...so I decided to break into its computerised heart with DH's nail scissors and discover the truth....( yes I am aware I am fully nuts and need to see a therapist ) and after a bit of huffing and puffing and feverish glancing back and too between the nasty damp strips inside and the clearblue website I found I had two v feint blue lines which it obviously wasn't going to mention....soooo I am

1. still in with a chance
2. probably mad
3. content that I have struck back against the negative peestick HA

I have bought some first response but not sure if I can face it just yet ......also I will not be admitting any of the above to anybody else

Happy Monday to all

Good luck lou for tomorrow. Sorry you're not feeling great diege. Both of you be sure to let us know how you get on with scan at epu, am excited for you both. Isaboo.....fingers crossed I don't want to say anything more in case I jinx it. Italian I completey sympathise re those Disneyland Paris ads as my DD does the same. Did price it up it is pretty expensive, I would rather spend a bit more and go to Disneyworld in Florida for longer and fit in a few days by the beach too, weather is guaranteed which is a bonus. Oi missus (hippy) have you got your house straight yet, have the estate agents been? Gum thanks for the info much appreciated and you are blessed to live with a beautiful beach on your doorstep. How goes it bb? Much you have crossed my mind, do hope you are ok. Hugs to Jolls Lia Tina Alba Shandy Panashe Nicole Ooooh Tank and anyone else I may have missed.
CD18 here not much to report other than doing 21 day progesterone test this week and funnily enough my boobs don't feel tender/sore as they usually do by now which results in me getting hopeful. To be honest think af will arrive as she usually does by next week ho hum.

Morning All. Deige, sorry to hear your hyperwhatsit is here, but glad in that the pregnancy sounds promising. I hope the drugs are helpful. I read an article on the "mothering" website about a lady who had hyperemisis for her first 4 pregnancies, then for her fifth decide to try marijuana - apparently it worked. She was able to eat and keep food down. She seemed to think any negative side effects outweighed the benefits as her other babies had been malnourished. It all sounded a bit strange, but it worked for her.Personally, I'd be concerned about my baby being born paranoid and apathetic!

Well, I'm now 3 dpo according to fertility friend, so here I go again with the tww. I really hope this is my last ttw, but I'm not getting my hopes up (or so I tell myself, like every tww).

Isaboo, I'm sorry about the "not pregnant". I know some people love the digital test because you don't have to squint at a line, but personally, those words hurt so much, I always do a different test first, and if it is positive, I'll brave the digi.
I hope you are actually pregnant. Have you tried a first response? They are good for picking up HCG early.
Unfortunately the digital will have two blue lines whether there is HCG present or not. Have a look at this site:www.peeonastick.com/hpt/digitalsecret.html
She says:"the second line may appear even if you are not pregnant, because the antibodies in the "results zone" are NOT testing ONLY for pregnancy hormone."

Of course that doesn't mean you aren't pregnant, but I just thought you should know those tests can be misleading.

BB how did the scan go? How are you feeling on the clomid?

Well, I must run.Charlie has daycare today, so I'd better get organised.

Oh, yeah - it is a beautiful beach where I live. I know how lucky I am. It is probably the most expensive suburb in our city, and even though we don't fit into the inome bracket here (teachers aren't paid all that well) we really went out on a limb financially to build here. It has been hard, but so worth it, and the price of real estate has really risen out here, so it was worth doing.

Yesterday I went to the beach and there were blue bottles all over the beachwww.australianfauna.com/bluebottlejellyfish.php. I got stung unfortunately, and I didn't even go swimming! One got on my ankle while I was walking, and when I flicked it off it got on my knee! The sting isn't too bad, just a bit annoying and when I got home I put some vinegar on it which did the trick. So although it is a beautiful beach, it's not without its faults!

Isaboo* sorry about the BFN.

Curly I'm much more of a Franko person than a yankee, rather go to Paris than Florida any day. But yes, those ads, my goodness guilt on a plate!

Did anyone watch One born every minute tonight? The mad who said to his wife/partner in labour about slicing and dicing and his fear being something would happen to her and he would be left holding the baby! I would have clobbered him one!

I felt quite sad for the 18 year old. Can't imagine my dd arriving pregers at 18, I mean she seemed very happy with baby and all but it's very early, or seems so to me. The nurses with her were brilliant.

Love and hugs to all

That sound be the man, no the mad, !!!