Giving birth again with existing scar tissue 😢 tmi

[Pennythoughts28]

Hello all, so a bit of a personal thread but here it goes, ill try keep it short.. ☺
With my first child i hemorrhage and needed stiches (slightly tramatised lol) our plan was to wed then try for baby no. 2. Wedding has been prosponed to 2022, so with us not getting any younger we were going to try inbetween now and then. Dont want to leave it too close so kinda got to start trying now and hopefully it all goes ok. 🤞 The thing is i have granulation tissue from bad healing after second birth. I have been waiting 2 years on treatment. I finally got my first consultation for treatment then covid happened. The nurse said 4 to 6 weeks but its been ten weeks and i dont know if i should just wait and hope i get it treated soon are go ahead and try for a baby, then hopefully they will treat it. Tmi but it can be sore sometimes and rip/bleeds constantly so theres noway i could give birth naturally and it not cause problems, considering it was a big panick to stop the bleeding the first time i just cannot do that again, they just jept saying everythings ok when it clearly wasnt. I know thats nothing compared to what could happen 😔 and im not complaining im very lucky i know but i really want to try for another baby but i think its too risky untill this is treated. What does everyone think. Tmi ☺

@Pennythoughts28

Hello all, so a bit of a personal thread but here it goes, ill try keep it short.. ☺ With my first child i hemorrhage and needed stiches (slightly tramatised lol) our plan was to wed then try for baby no. 2. Wedding has been prosponed to 2022, so with us not getting any younger we were going to try inbetween now and then. Dont want to leave it too close so kinda got to start trying now and hopefully it all goes ok. 🤞 The thing is i have granulation tissue from bad healing after second birth. I have been waiting 2 years on treatment. I finally got my first consultation for treatment then covid happened. The nurse said 4 to 6 weeks but its been ten weeks and i dont know if i should just wait and hope i get it treated soon are go ahead and try for a baby, then hopefully they will treat it. Tmi but it can be sore sometimes and rip/bleeds constantly so theres noway i could give birth naturally and it not cause problems, considering it was a big panick to stop the bleeding the first time i just cannot do that again, they just jept saying everythings ok when it clearly wasnt. I know thats nothing compared to what could happen 😔 and im not complaining im very lucky i know but i really want to try for another baby but i think its too risky untill this is treated. What does everyone think. Tmi ☺

Granulation tissue from first birth not second

There is a good chance you could have an elective cesarean for a second baby so might not need to worry about this?

O do you think they would put me in for a c section because of what happened the first time? I really would rather not have a c section tbh. Im quite a tuff cookie and was back to working out, doing what i normally do 3 days after even tho the midewive said i was badly bruised and needed iron tablets lol thats a whole other issue as i done too much too soon and womb wouldnt go down properly 😲 but i cant imagine how hard it must be to get over a c section 😲 i never thought that would be enough to have a c section as i know they only do it when absolutely needes. I had a friend had a horrific time during first birth had to get in shower to pee for months 😢 so she left 12 years between 2 children ( second was a surprise) and she literally begged for c section she had 4 degree tear and was refused

What degree tear did you have? I had a second degree tear with my first, and had granulation tissue burnt off (with silver nitrate I think?) when he was about 6 months old. No problems with second birth, just another 2nd degree tear again, no granulation this time. I'd be more careful with a 3rd/4th degree tear I think, but for a 2nd degree I'd just get on with a second baby. No point waiting for perfect healing just to get it all ripped open again.

I only had a first degree tear, its not really the ripping more the fact i hemoraged due to that tear, there was a alarm going off and 6 midwives and 2 doctors all in a state of panic while telling me not to worry everything was fine 😬😬 its was quite frightening as i near fainted too and thats what im most worried about that i will tear again and same thing will happen. Qasbt untill after they told me ' that waa a bit of a panic there' i felt horrible afterwards for weeks just constantly exhausted, was told i would have need blood transfusion if i had of bled for one second longer.

Are you sure they classified your tear correctly? A first degree year is just a nick to the skin. The likelihood of that causing a haemorrhage or even having tissue granulation from that is very small. Was it definitely bleeding from the tear? Would it be worth requesting a debrief to discuss this what happened with a senior midwife and go through your options for next time? It’s also worth noting that returning to normal life three days after a baby probably did you no favours at all in terms of healing the tear and I say this as someone who was running by 6 weeks post cesarean.

I had steroid cream that healed up granulation tissue. I don't think everywhere does the burning off thing.

I also think a first degree tear wouldn't really result in a haemorrhage, ask about it.

Ultimately you can't control birth from this point, pre-conception! You'd need to go by your own individual risk factors, just because a friend struggled with CS doesn't mean you would. Vaginal birth and CS both have pros and cons, I've had both!

You now have the right to request cs but trusts vary on how easy they make it, and covid probably doesn't make them more likely to agree to be honest.

You need to know if you have a higher risk of haemorrhage given what happened before, and if granulation tissue would have a negative impact on you giving birth. They may well say giving birth naturally is fine but they'd want you in a consultsnt-led delivery suite just in case.

Yes hemmorage came from first degree tear surprisingly. I had one continuous stitch which stopped it, and that resulted in large amount of granulation tissue. I suppose i was just quite unlucky. Also baby poohed in womb, labour stopped progessing, had group b strep, had a epidural that was almost put in wrong place and had to see a pelvic floor specialist afterwards 😢 think looking back i just didnt have the best labour and just so worried it will happen again. As it was inly a first degree tear, i dread to think what would happen if i had a 2nd or 3rd degree 😬😬 and im very prone to scar tissue i ended up with it for simply getting my ears pierced 😢

It was first degree just in that it wasnt into muscle or anything but was the entire length of you no were haha plus a rushed job to get it stiched

Ah OP you went through the mill. I'm.sorry.

I know the plural of anecdote isnt data but if it helps - I had an episiotomy that was then infected and stitches broke down after my first.

Had my second on saturday and it was fine. I had a small 2nd degree year which I asked not to be sutured.

I did however have a snapped cord and retained placenta...!

I really didnt think it was that bad untill we have started talking about possibly having a second and it dawned on me i dont think i can do that again 😬 😂, i was the palest thing you have ever seen for months afterwards too literally had no iron in my body and then my body wasnt absorbing it properly and wholllle other story 😂 awk congrats ☺ o sounds sore, im wishing you a speedy recovery ☺

Sorry that you had such a bad birth. Can I ask what your granulation tissue feels like as I think I have the same? I had a 3rd degree tear nearly 14 months ago now and nothing has been right since. Whenever I lean forwards and back up I can feel a pulling sensation, and if I check down there I can feel a ridge on one side. When I was checked by the NHS gynae and physio they say my scar has healed well, but it doesn't feel that way to me.

Sorry to be tmi but its like a flap of skin tbh. It feels like a stiff bit of skin, it does sound like you have scar tissue 😔 but with granulation tissue its usually like a flap of skin if yours feels flat enough id guess its just a scar. Granulation tissue sticks out quite abit

Thankyou, mines like a big ridge of skin, almost like its been pulled too tight when stitched and concertinaed so theres an extra bit down there, its hard to explain. I think when covid calms down a little I’ll have to see a gynae privately as the NHS seem to think all is ok. Have they said whats the treatment for your scar tissue?

I'm quite surprised that has caused so many issues. It sounds more like there was an issue with the way it was stitched. I also haemorrhaged but that was from the length of labour. I had a borderline 2nd/3rd degree tear first time, couldn't sit for weeks etc, had registrar saying she couldn't see what she was doing because there was too much blood etc. I had physio and ultrasound treatment on the scar. Had 2nd baby within 2 years with no issues. 3 babies, 3 2nd deg tears in 5 years and it was honestly absolutely fine both the other times, quick labours, no bleeding with mentioning. It sounds more like you have some mental health difficulties with your experience, and that is a perfectly valid reason for a c section anyway.

Sounds like you went through the mill with your first delivery OP. I just wanted to share a positive story.
With my first I had a second degree tear and hematoma. It still feels odd now and the scar tissue was painful for maybe 12 months after. With my second 2 years later I only had a very small graze.

Yes there was a huge panick when stitching as i was losing alot of blood. So the alarm was on and all the midwives rushed in the sister of the ward frantically stitching me, my partner looking wide eyed and speechless at my side and then a surgeon came rushing in 😔 so they couldnt really see what they were doing due to the blood and didnt really care as there main goal was to get the tear closed quickly incase the bleeding was from eleswere, ive always been like that too a razor cut and there will be blood everyyywere im defo a bleeder. I think the thought of a c section worries me just as much too 😢 think mothers go thur lol. My treatment will be silver nitrate the scar tissue will be removed while getting cervical eorsion treated which has caused bleeding for 2 years 😢 but i dont think ill have that treatment as the nurse advised against it untill family is complete ☺

O and another thing i vomited i vomited and vomited during labour aswell lol. Mothers are so strong lol

I had a 2nd degree tear with my first, always felt "tight" afterwards, including making DC2, exams weren't pleasant either, hurt more than I remembered with DC1 anyway...

Had 2nd vaginally as well, had an episiotomy + stitches and everything now feels back to normal in there, so having a 2nd made things better...

However there was no other drama/major bleeding to deal with which is a different issue to consider.

I had a second degree tear and was bleeding lots, they didn't notice for three days I needed a blood transfusion 😳 I was visiting my son in NICU wondering why I felt so out of it and pale etc. I did put a complaint in as my iron levels were so low it was dangerous by the time they found out.

I've never had a vaginal delivery so can't compare but my c-section was lovely and calm. I did loose a bit of blood but nothing that some iron tablets couldn't sort out. My recovery was really smooth too so don't rule it out as an option.

It sounds very scary. I also lost a lot of blood and was borderline on needing a transfusion, but after a very long 80hr labour was so out of it I wasn’t really aware of all the blood gushing out of me. I do go through phases where I dwell on it for days, wishing I had done things differently, tried harder etc. If I was ever lucky enough to conceive again, on one hand I think that maybe having another vaginal birth could make me feel better mentally (assuming its calm and lovely like some people have) and also help with the scar tissue, but i think a c-section recovery would be easier than my 3rd degree tear which took months til I could even go up and down the stairs. The midwife said shortly afterwards that next time I’d have no problem requesting a c-section.

I dont think they would give me a c section for this reason tbh. I know some people who had horrific labours and wernt allowed a c secrion with there second. My friends cirrently pregnant she always wanted at least four children but because of her first labour shes having her second after 11 years, she wanted another when her little girl was 3 but the doctors wouldnt put her in for a c section. I suppose the upside was i only bled after i had my little boy for 3 days after i think maybe because i had already lost ao much blood? I think i will wait too i get the scar tissue sorted and get wed in 2022, i suppose im just worried about our ages mainly but i will only be 31 turning 32 after we get married, my husband to be will be 38 turning 39 tho 😬, its my wee boy mainly i really want him to have someone to 'grow up with' i would have had another sooner but he has speical needs and just never felt i had the time to give him all the attention he needed and give attention needed to a little one untill now. My wee boys started main stream school in September ( for 3 weeks now schools are cloaed again) but hes doing really well ☺

Thanks for your replies lady, i always thought maybe i had done something wrong but i guess it just happens. Sorry to hear some of you have suffered labour complications

I had a pretty bad labour and delivery with baby number 1, I also had scar tissue from a 2nd degree tear and had steroid cream for it. Its better now, although by no means perfect and does still hurt sometimes during sex. I'm 5 months pregnant with baby number two and hoping for a vaginal birth again with this baby.