To be agreeing with new conservative benefits proposal re alcohol etc

[Tigerthebreadroll]

They will cut benefits for people that haven't paid into the system and been unemployed for over 6 months (don't quote me on that number ) by 30 % and it will be given on a prepaid type card. Meaning it won't be accepted by betting shops, for alcohol or cigarettes. I feel that's right . Why should tax payers money be spent on funding cigarettes etc but I have no problem with funding the basics like food etc.
Thoughts?
Basically you will claim full benefits if you've worked and paid into the system. Should reduce generational unemployment hopefully

Enough to no longer require government subsidy to pay rent, feed and clothe yourself and pay the bills. Not much to ask, is it?

I pay into a system that i may need to rely on one day. 6 months is nothing. I hate to see people waste on drink and cigarettes but im not here to judge.
The welfare system is not favourable to Tories because they do not care about those in need.

How do you know they are all unemployed?

How many hours would you like to work to get this?

I was under the impression you used to only be able to claim benefits once you had paid NI into the system.

As long as I can remember there have been 2 types of benefit for working-age people: contribution based, for those who'd paid the required NI contributions, and income related, for those with low or nil incomes.

Prior to UC, you could claim Income Support if you had no other income, before IS the equivalent benefit was called Supplementary Benefit.

Clearly it is too much to ask if you won’t put a figure on it!

A DWP worker talking about people committing benefit fraud and doing nothing about it.

The standard 40 works.

Just look at them and ask yourself who would give them a job? There are bus stops in the town where I live where I won't get off because there are street drinkers drinking in them. I would rather get off a stop earlier or later. There is a prohibition order banning drinking in that part of town but it is never enforced.

I can’t put a figure on it. It’s locality dependent for the biggest element, ie housing. You see these things aren’t simple.

I don't see the point. 30% on payment card that couldn't be spent on certain things, but 70% paid as normal?
Have I misunderstood?

Then why are you so fixated on them getting one? It’s a nonsense argument if you consider them unemployable.

In the UK, 17.5% of unemployed individuals smoke compared to 9.9% of those in paid employment. 1] Office for National Statistics

Im unemployed. I don't fit that stereotype

This is actually a really interesting point, and I think it hits the nail on the head of why anyone with any libertarian instincts at all should be very wary of policies like this - in my opinion, we should all be wary of this level of government interference over the lifestyle and choices of private individuals.

Nope. 30 per cent cut to benefit

And I was responding to yours, I’m pretty sure that’s exactly how discussion boards work. Keep your crayons, I’ve got my own. 😘

Flog them!

All the unemployed in your town are not hanging out in the town centre.
You must spend a lot of time in your town centre watching what is going on.
Are tattoos on the banned list?

No it dosnt, I have never needed staff to scan my bar codes.

The amount that is sufficient to live on would vary according to local rents. It would be higher in (eg) Brighton than in Bradford.

Ok so that would be hugely complicated. If someone needed to pay a tradesman, how would it work?

I fear it would be the start of a programmable CBDC for all of us.

What a bizarre, reductive reaction to some statistics.

£13.45 per hour. £14.80 per hour in London.

Did it annoy you? Hopefully