To be agreeing with new conservative benefits proposal re alcohol etc

[Tigerthebreadroll]

They will cut benefits for people that haven't paid into the system and been unemployed for over 6 months (don't quote me on that number ) by 30 % and it will be given on a prepaid type card. Meaning it won't be accepted by betting shops, for alcohol or cigarettes. I feel that's right . Why should tax payers money be spent on funding cigarettes etc but I have no problem with funding the basics like food etc.
Thoughts?
Basically you will claim full benefits if you've worked and paid into the system. Should reduce generational unemployment hopefully

I'm not earning a six figure sum and never have. I'm on a pension but would still expect to provide room and food for any under-25 still living at home. It's just part of being a decent parent.

If they are earning then great, they can contribute, but if they are struggling to find a job, I'd be there helping them.

I presume you were being tongue-in-cheek? Made me smile anyway!

For a 25 year old? Are you serious?

Editing to add…
What difference does it make if paid to the under 25 year old or the parent anyway?

Is it morally right to ask an unemployed under 25 to live with his parents, or morally right for the state to fund that under 25 to live independently.

The former obviously. I don’t know if you realise that we have a financial crisis going on.

Yes, we need better and more drug and alcohol services. Do you think cutting benefits is going to cure an alcoholic overnight? Or a heroin user?

Contribute to food, gas, electricity, other household bills. Then there is clothing, transport, phone bills etc

It's amazing how they can miss such basic flaws in policy; or how they can ignore them, knowing sections of the electorate will just park all common sense to lap the nonsense up.

What happens to those who’ve just started working?
Those who are on 0 hours contract but are supposed to be available everyday ‘just in case’?
Children in care who find themselves at 17~18yo in the street with no support at all?
Mothers who stop working because childcare is unmanageable?
Women in abusive relationship who’ve been forced to stop working?

The people who will be the most affected by those ‘rules’ are the most vulnerable. Again.

But yes for the middle class who have (atm, AI is likely to change that) who will find it relatively easy to find a job, it will be fine.

As for the ‘generational unemployed’ the OP is talking about, their children will just live even more in poverty. More children will only have one meal, the one at school. As a result, they won’t learn as well and will struggle even more.
That’s wo talking about the fact drug dealing, robberies etc… will look like a much easier way to make money to be able to just eat and have a warm (enough) house.
Im struggling to see how this will ever work LT.

https://forecourttrader.co.uk/10-billion-illegal-cigarettes-were-smoked-in-the-uk-last-year/719710.article

Not really. Because half of them are counterfeits from the gangs.

Shadow cabinets make the most astute observations, unless they are Labour.

As a Tax paying non drinker and non smoker I’d be very happy to see this happen. It would be a massive shift for the better in my opinion.

I don't see a problem with it. Drinking, smoking and gambling might be fun, but they're not a human right and plenty of people manage to happily go through life without doing any of it. I work and can't always afford a bottle of wine on a Friday, so I just don't have it. I don't moan that I'm being discriminated against.

How do people pay for their utilities if given stamps for certain shops only?
And if someone has a stamp for food and they go to Tesco, who's going to make sure they don't buy booze and cigs as Tesco sells both?

Exactly this. Even if you take any moral or compassionate arguments out of it, it’s bad policy making. I imagine that’s why they never tried it during their fourteen years in power, but even so I find it genuinely disappointing to see Kemi Badenoch resorting to this kind of performative, ideological nonsense.

It isn't though, if it's money they have thanks to the largesse of working tax payers.

The poster wasn’t asking whether the policy would affect them, they were asking how it would work for those it does affect.

Send ‘em all to the Workhouse.
There are currently more people looking for work than there are jobs.

Can we stop subbing parliament's bar and meals too? And perhaps all the high expenses they claim... Benefit scroungers they are, on their wage as well.

Hyperbole.

So you give a 25 year old living at home money. How do you expect them to spend it?

What expenses incurred by MPs do you object to?

I’ve never understood why it’s more my responsibility as a taxpayer to fund someone’s adult children than the parents.

It seems inconceivable that they wouldn't have at least looked at the evidence from the very similar scheme in Australia, so I think they're ignoring these basic flaws rather than having missed them altogether.

I presume that their calculation is that this policy will be electorally popular because most people will only engage with the idea at a very superficial level without bothering to delve into the question of whether it would actually work in practice. And to be fair, they're probably right.

And I’m not sure if you e thought about the reasons why theres such a crisis

• brexit
• neoliberalism
• protecting the richest - I’m thinking tax reductions or handouts to huge companies like Amazon, Google, energy companies, banks etc etc…
• climate change is going to create even more issues (eg food prices)

Of you think ‘the crisis’ were in is going to be solved by making people poorer, you’re very naive.

I don’t really care what people spend their benefits on. We should allow adults to make their own decisions and manage their money, otherwise where does it end?

I do care that the benefits bill is out of control. I’d like to see the 2 child benefit cap reintroduced, universal credit reviewed and a really radical review of PIP so that those who really need benefits get more. In some cases I don’t understand how giving people money is the answer - I remember a post on here where a poster with ADHD said that having PIP enabled her to get takeaways as she would sometimes forget to cook. We need to be looking at different ways of supporting people. Money is not always the answer.