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To think we can't afford the triple lock

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paddleboardingmum · Today 08:47

Things seem very weighted against young people right now in terms of tax, student loans, and then there's the cost of mortgages and childcare. I know there are some older people struggling and I do feel sorry for them. But plenty are not and I think we just can't afford the triple lock at the moment. AIBU

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randomchap · Today 09:28

Kotyss · Today 09:26

Just save up privately

Any solution that starts "Just" generally misses any nuance, intelligence, or effectiveness.

TallulahBetty · Today 09:28

LarryForPrimeMinister · Today 08:49

Considering the birth rate has dropped significantly, definitely not. Feel sorry for pensioners who don't have private pensions to rely on but its just not going to work.

They can apply for Pension Credit, if only relying on SRP.

Byebyeblackbirds26 · Today 09:31

The housing market needs to be addressed first.

Cost of housing and the mortgage burden to get on the ladder is out of control.

We can't keep slicing from other areas to prop up an over inflated housing market indefinitely. It's just not sustainable.

The sacred cow that is property value needs to be adjusted to more sustainable levels or the house of cards will collapse.

Kotyss · Today 09:31

randomchap · Today 09:28

Any solution that starts "Just" generally misses any nuance, intelligence, or effectiveness.

This ain't an argument sunshine

Imdunfer · Today 09:32

LarryForPrimeMinister · Today 09:21

I would be happy with that solution. Sadly we have far to many uneducated people who don't understand politics and economics who wouldn't.

"Uneducated people" like the left wing and Europhile economist and former Greek Finance Minister Janis Varoufakis, you mean ?

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myheadsjustmush · Today 09:33

Yay...another scrap the triple lock thread 🙄

Seeline · Today 09:34

randomchap · Today 09:28

Any solution that starts "Just" generally misses any nuance, intelligence, or effectiveness.

And for those just about to hit pension age, or just started?
When I started work, I was supposed to retire at 60. Then it increased to 65 and now it's 67. Planning for that has been bad enough. How are those on low wage jobs supposed to magic up private pensions at this stage of life?

Stop the triple lock for those who have time to plan for it.

Sorry - wrong post quoted, but can't delete it!

Kotyss · Today 09:34

Everyone has paid in with NI should get some level of contribution back .it should be somewhat equal to what they paid in .but mostly everyone needs a private nest egg

TallSturdyGirls · Today 09:34

mumumental · Today 08:51

Here we go. Every time. Tax the billionaires who are trying to influence our politics and leave pensioners the fuck alone.

Its basic economics. All politicians have known this for a very long time but are too scared of the backlash from the public who don't understand it properly.
I dont disagree with taxing billionaires more though!

MyManinCaracas · Today 09:35

Cut pip significantly and don’t allow entire families to live feral lives on benefits.

senua · Today 09:35

Things seem very weighted against young people right now
One day you, too, will be old.

randomchap · Today 09:35

Kotyss · Today 09:31

This ain't an argument sunshine

Thanks for the laugh. 😆

Elbowpatch · Today 09:35

LarryForPrimeMinister · Today 09:21

I would be happy with that solution. Sadly we have far to many uneducated people who don't understand politics and economics who wouldn't.

Unfortunately, that is a fairy tale solution. EU countries are also facing similar pension crises as the UK. France and Germany are two prime examples.

I doubt the the UK rejoining likely to help, them or us.

Meadowfinch · Today 09:36

Kotyss · Today 09:11

We can't. We should still give those who contributed with NI a state pension, but most people should be expected to live of their private pensions and nest egg.

Those who contributed with NI are those who have worked all their lives and are, in the most part, those who have managed to accumulate a nest egg or private pension. Most people have paid NI.

Those who have not paid NI are mums who stayed at home and those who are not legally employed for whatever reason. They are generally the ones who have neither NI contributions nor a private pension or nestegg. Do you expect them to starve on the streets?

A good place to start would be to require 40 NI contributing years for a full pension, rather than 35. People generally start work at 16, 18 or 21 so all are capable of putting in 40 years NI.

WhatATimeToBeAlive · Today 09:38

Kotyss · Today 09:34

Everyone has paid in with NI should get some level of contribution back .it should be somewhat equal to what they paid in .but mostly everyone needs a private nest egg

It is. The pension you get depends on how much you have contributed.

ByQuaintAzureWasp · Today 09:39

Cost of childcare? I never got one free hoyr of childcare, now they get upto 30 hours per week. Even dentists who get a massive part of their income paid in dividends rather than salary.
Please explain.

ByQuaintAzureWasp · Today 09:40

mumumental · Today 08:51

Here we go. Every time. Tax the billionaires who are trying to influence our politics and leave pensioners the fuck alone.

Trouble us, mostly, they've left the UK

AluckyEllie · Today 09:40

The average life expectancy is 83 for women and 79 for men. We cannot afford to pay pensions for nearly 20 years. Especially when in many cases care costs will be funded by the taxpayer too. NHS costs/ attendance allowance/ winter fuel/disability/care homes. It’s a huge amount of money.

I don’t know what the answer is though. There’s just not enough money and we are all fighting over it (school/defence/nhs/elderly.) Oh wait- tax the rich! And by rich I mean mega rich, over £20 million rich. Corporations that avoid paying tax.

mugglewump · Today 09:41

welshgirl2025 · Today 09:15

Yes we can afford it. Stop giving billions of pounds in foreign aid each year. Why are we supporting countries like Pakistan? Stop spending millions of pounds on keeping illegal immigrants. We are not a poor country we just have repeated incompetent governments that give our money away to anyone except our own people.

Foreign aid, most of which is in trade arrangements and not cash (RW lies), would only cover a tiny proportion of the pension benefits burdon. Likewise, the support for immigrants (most of whom are working, if allowed).

Proportionately, we have the lowest state pension in Europe, so the triple lock is a good thing for narrowing that gap. However, perhaps there should be a revision to the state pension, so it is a 'top up' on a private or workplace pension which stops at a particular threshold (eg somewhere between £40k - £50k). This would mean that those that really don't need it, don't get it. It could perhaps taper like child benefit.

mumumental · Today 09:42

Everanewbie · Today 09:11

Ah the mythical golden goose billionaires.

Why do people take it so personally when the triple lock is brought up?

Ending the triple lock does not mean

  1. Your pension will not increase
  2. Your pension will reduce

What is would end is the situation where the increase is calculated on a "best of all worlds" basis. Choose a metric, AEI, CPI, or 2.5%, by all means. But triple locks just cannot carry on indefinitely. That income escalator is simply not fair.

And as an aside, the fact that those in receipt of the full basic state pension will now pay income tax is a good thing. This is the fiscal drag suffered by the working population for several years now, It might get the treasury thinking again about frozen thresholds given the insane situation where the threshold is so low, the basic state pension is now in its sights.

Every time one posts an opinion in answer to a Mumsnet question, it does not invite a seminar from those who think they know better. Write an article.

Kotyss · Today 09:42

Seeline · Today 09:34

And for those just about to hit pension age, or just started?
When I started work, I was supposed to retire at 60. Then it increased to 65 and now it's 67. Planning for that has been bad enough. How are those on low wage jobs supposed to magic up private pensions at this stage of life?

Stop the triple lock for those who have time to plan for it.

Sorry - wrong post quoted, but can't delete it!

Edited

Don't work low wage jobs your ENTIRE life then? Learn some skills? Go into an interesting profession that challenges you.

Elbowpatch · Today 09:42

WhatATimeToBeAlive · Today 09:38

It is. The pension you get depends on how much you have contributed.

Not really. You can contribute zero and be eligible for pension credit.

WingnutSOS · Today 09:43

MissChanandlerBonng · Today 09:12

Rather see the benefits bill cut first.

It is a benefit. And accounts for about 50% of the country’s welfare bill.

No one is talking about removing pensions, it’s the rate of pension increase that the triple lock guarantees.

The majority of us need to take some personal responsibility for saving for the future.

Kotyss · Today 09:45

MyManinCaracas · Today 09:35

Cut pip significantly and don’t allow entire families to live feral lives on benefits.

I can't blame disabled people for being disabled. It's not their fault

Thinkofnewthings · Today 09:47

Kotyss · Today 09:42

Don't work low wage jobs your ENTIRE life then? Learn some skills? Go into an interesting profession that challenges you.

I have two degrees, multilingual, and am highly skilled in a trained job, but it has become low wage over the years, now just above minimum wage. The equivalent salary value has halved in that time.