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AIBU to think my friend is overdoing emergency stockpiling?

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bagpuss90 · 10/09/2026 08:52

I get that we have been advised to stock up on essentials, though I think it will encourage panic buying. I will probably get a few days worth of stuff at some point . My friend however has, at least in my opinion gone ott about it. She’s stocking up a six month supply of food. She’s bought head torches, a camping gas stove and various other stuff. She thinks I’m being naive …Am I missing something here ?

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GentleSheep · 20/09/2026 20:21

RedToothBrush · 20/09/2026 18:08

The Lib Dems have called for Andy Burnham to create an "emergency register" for civilians to voluntarily sign up for war

From what I can glean from a news article on it this doesn't necessarily mean military/army service, might be community service to aid any war effort, but it's not specified. However I think many might assume this means military service and as such I think lots of people oppose this.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/calls-for-civilian-war-register-russia-nato-attack-5Hjdhgt_2/

RedToothBrush · 20/09/2026 22:09

Fuck knows.

The noise this weekend which I'm following closely seems to imply that there is a universal undertone of "oh shit" in various forms.

I'm not sure the LDs are really helping matters by sticking their oar in and politicking. But AWOL Andy isn't helping matters there either.

Some of the scariest stuff is coming from respected journalists, that I would regard as Sensible Heads. It's unnerving.

One comment I saw was if you read twitter ATM you'll go nuts with all the speculation. And that's absolutely the truth.

It has an air of all hell about to break loose. Tonight it sounds like it's another round is about to kick off in the Middle East.

There's a book called 1913.
It tries to convey the mood of the year, ignoring what we know was about to unfold. It describes a relatively carefree society and details that there is best selling book in Germany called 'The Great Illusion which says "the Great War, that eternal threat, will never come" because countries are too economically interlinked.' It all just feels ominous.

And even when everyone knew it was coming there was an air of disbelief even as it happened.

Josh Hunt AT Iamjoshhunt
There's a lot of war news in the UK media right now, much of it about British involvement in conflicts abroad.

I rarely cover war. The inner workings are murky and it’s unusually difficult to know which stories are real, exaggerated or incomplete.

But after a few conversations this week with some very worried people, I thought I'd offer a view (I’m no expert on war, so do with this opinion what you will). Not on the mechanics of the conflicts. But on the bombardment of stories we're getting about them.

Most of them draw a sharp intake of breath. Will there be attacks on home soil? Are we prepared? Conscription?

It's an understandable reaction because we were all raised on the horrors of two world wars. Talk of war unearths pure terror in most of us.

But I suggest you weigh it against what's happening domestically to maintain at least a sliver of sanity.

War serves almost nobody. The threat of war, however, serves some very powerful people. Our government among them.

It is the best cover there is for doing unpopular things. And this government desperately needs to do some unpopular things.

War changes what people will tolerate. Spending that was impossible suddenly becomes essential. Taxes that were unacceptable become, in a sense, patriotic. Shortages become collective sacrifice.

That's not to say the threat isn't real. It is.

But we're nowhere near prepared. You've heard the stories about the state of our armed forces after decades of neglect.

And take a look at the money... defence spending rises to 2.7% of GDP next year, then sits there until 2030. The 3.5% target is pencilled in for 2035, with no plan for how we get there and a third of the latest increase is yet to be funded.

That is not the budget of a country that expects to be at war soon.

These are different times from the first half of the 20th century. The government knows any attempt at conscription would be met with a resounding "F**K OFF".

You can't spend two decades pricing people out of a stake in this country and then ask them to die for it.

So here's the signal to watch for. If things truly do get dire enough to need mass civilian mobilisation, this is how I think they'd get it.

A war economy means a wobbling financial system, high unemployment and mortgages people can't pay.

The offer writes itself… sign up to fight, and your family keeps the house. Simple.

At that point the kitchen table recruits better than any MoD ad campaign. And the street does the rest. In 1914 it was white feathers handed to men out of uniform. Every family with someone serving to save their home will make sure the neighbours who aren't are shamed for it.

Recruitment happens in your community, not from government officials.

So no, I don't think they're preparing to conscript the civilian population. The better question is what the language of national emergency makes possible at home.

Higher taxes, spending cuts, rationing, maybe even capital controls. All extremely hard to sell in normal times, but much easier in exceptional ones.

And if it ever does come to all-out war? This time it's different.

It'll be for your home, not your country.

That makes for really grim thinking. We aren't ready but we may not get a choice.

As for when 'it will begin':

A French military source, asked whether Paris could strike back at Russia without the public knowing, told Le Monde: "It's already the case."

France has begun covert conventional responses to Russian hybrid attacks in Europe. Concern is rising across the continent that Russia could move directly against NATO in the near future

Given the history of British special forces, it seems inconceivable at this stage that the UK aren't carrying out operations.

With that in mind my sense back I wonder if it's even possible to stop the momentum than to do something sensible. And that's before you consider Trumps ego or Putin having nothing to lose.

GentleSheep · 20/09/2026 22:37

Well Putin warned the UK very clearly, we are supplying Ukraine with drones, and that makes us a target because we are involved in the war. What sort of attack, we don't know, but I believe it's coming, especially after seeing that fireball display in Moscow yesterday. He won't let that go. Plus whatever else he has against other NATO countries.

Is anyone ever truly ready for war? I don't think so and it's an awful thought no matter what age you are. As for 'sign up to fight, and your family keeps the house' - I wouldn't put it past this government, but it's a terrifying thought. There will need to be a very strong reason for people to sign up because we know right now most are vehemently opposed to fighting. After Covid and how things were spun to us, this can only be worse.

Era · 21/09/2026 07:17

I have a few hours off this morning since I need to be at home waiting for something. I am doing a bit of a stock take around the house. starting with the pantry I am going through everything to look at what we freely have and where we might have gaps. If I have time I am then also going to look in the utility room to check on things like batteries, washing powder etc.

I have ordered the nancy birtwhistle book from the library so that if things are in short supply I have some alternatives. Ive ordered citric acid etc from amazon. This helps the planet anyway so its win win.

Chickens probably have about another 8 weeks of lay in them this year if we are lucky. Generally at this time of year we have a glut and I'm giving them away but this year Im freezing lots and we are all eating more eggs too. Unfortunately we don't have the usual freezer packed full of stuff from the veg patch since I lost a close family member and the veg patch was one of the things that slipped with everything else going on. I am going to sow some stuff this weekend though.

My plan to stockpile biscuits failed dismally unfortunately since student DC seems to have found them and they've mysteriously disappeared back with him back to uni..

Era · 21/09/2026 07:23

Ive also ordered two hot water bottles. Very cheap and make a big difference if there are rolling power cuts.

At the weekend Im also going through the airing cupboard. We have loads of old bits in there and I'm going to use them along with some clothes that are too scruffy to go to the charity shop to make some draught excluders. Old underwear and scruffy t shirts make great stuffing for draught excluders.

DS2s job for the week is to collect a big pile of kindling for the fire and to tear up a load of boxes so that we can start the fire easily. It's an ok job first thing in the morning when everything you need is right there at the back door. It's a horrible job when you have to traipse down to the bottom of the garden to do it.

RedToothBrush · 21/09/2026 09:04

Reuters
Europe faces jet fuel shortage in fourth quarter amid war on Iran
Europe is facing a fourth-quarter jet fuel deficit this year as the US-Israel war on Iran continues to disrupt global supplies, according to Reuters.

Citing data from consultancy Energy Aspects, the agency said Europe will see a deficit of 510,000 barrels per day in the fourth quarter, against surpluses of 18,000bpd in the US and 419,000bpd in Asia Pacific.

The deficit comes despite South Korea boosting its jet fuel exports to Europe. European imports of the fuel from the Asian nation so far in September stand at 129,000bpd, according to commodities intelligence firm Kpler, the highest since October 2022.

The war has cut off almost half of Europe’s jet fuel imports.

RedToothBrush · 21/09/2026 09:11

Peter Ricketts AT LordRickettsP
Striking that there has been nothing from senior ministers here echoing the very stark public warnings from Macron and Tusk last week of an escalation in Russian hybrid attacks on European countries. And there will no parliamentary opportunity to quiz them for three weeks.

RedToothBrush · 21/09/2026 10:03

NATS has gone down again. It's affecting Scotland, NI and Northern England (Basically north of Manchester).

I think there's a slow handclap here if it's another internal thing...

TemporarilyCantDoMyself · 21/09/2026 10:56

Just put Sky News channel on while I chomp on brunch. Deborah Haynes seems to have done a series of interviews on defence preparedness. Caught a bit of Penny Mordaunt and now Dan Jarvis. Both beginning to tell it straight. Dan Jarvis emphasising the household prep message.

GentleSheep · 21/09/2026 11:03

It's irritating seeing El Nino used as the main reason for stocking up. Although perhaps it's a good thing as long as people DO stock up!

So they're basically advocating 10 litres of water per day for drinking and personal hygiene? No way would I use up loads of water on days 1 and 2 with such a liberal use of it.

Also I'd say plan what to buy around what meals you will make, that way you can coordinate ingredients and not buy things you won't use. I'm not sure why they recommend bread, it doesn't last long. Oats, pasta and rice are better.

In other news I was testing out my British Army camp stove and it was good, I only needed half a Fire Dragon cube to get hot water for a cuppa. But you can't control the flame of course, it's all or nothing!

Whatafustercluck · 21/09/2026 11:57

We're actually pretty good for fuel for cooking. We'll bring the caravan home from storage and park it on the driveway! We have an almost full gas canister. We've also got 2 extra camping stoves. I have bought additional water in this week's groceries, which I've squirrelled away in the garage. I'll do the same next week, and add a few extra tins here and there. As campers, we're already pretty well prepared with the right equipment (torches etc). If it's cyber attacks or el nino we're pretty well prepared for a few days, as recommended. If it's conventional war, then no amount of planning or preparation is going to help unless you own a property with loads of land and storage space. And if it goes nuclear, I'll take my family and stand right in the detonation zone.

GentleSheep · 21/09/2026 12:17

DP just said let's get some gas canisters and a camping stove as he says we can 'boil water faster' that way, well I'm sure he's right, he said we can use the British Army stove for heating food. Glad he's on board with all this! He was a scout so at least he's got experience.

mulberrymilk · 21/09/2026 12:37

I can't see what the problem is. I would rather be overprepared than underprepared -- or not prepared at all, as many on this thread appear to be. Including the OP.

HeckYeah · 21/09/2026 13:18

I had my two young adult children with partners over for dinner this weekend and they walked out from our garage with a big shopping bag each..so probably need to restock a few things. 🙃

autumnaunt · 21/09/2026 14:03

if the SHTF and you ran out of food and water, would you pop around to her house for help, or would you just stay dehydrated and hungry for a week whilst emergency services sorted out which areas they help first?

autumnaunt · 21/09/2026 14:08

BeasKnee · 10/09/2026 09:37

Thanks for your reply, I think I might start doing the tap water thing you do too. Buying water bottles that may never be used seems wasteful but the washed out milk bottles with regularly changed water seems like a good plan. Thinking about it, I do have a big water container somewhere that we used to use camping so I will dig that out too.

This wouldn’t work for drinking water unless you add in proper filtering and cleaning/sanitising the water. You could boil it but if you don’t have fuel back up in the event of utilities going down, your water will only be good for washing and throwing down the toilet.

CatnipLeaves · 21/09/2026 14:14

autumnaunt · 21/09/2026 14:08

This wouldn’t work for drinking water unless you add in proper filtering and cleaning/sanitising the water. You could boil it but if you don’t have fuel back up in the event of utilities going down, your water will only be good for washing and throwing down the toilet.

It's also worth considering how much water and energy you might use in the process of washing out those bottles.

TemporarilyCantDoMyself · 21/09/2026 14:46

For water I'm using milk bottles that I've sterilised with Milton and then all the water after the very first rinse is going on the garden, so not wasted.
First bottle ready to go to the garage.

AIBU to think my friend is overdoing emergency stockpiling?
taxidriver · 21/09/2026 14:52

There may be plenty of rain water to stand in

LilyBunch25 · 21/09/2026 16:17

autumnaunt · 21/09/2026 14:08

This wouldn’t work for drinking water unless you add in proper filtering and cleaning/sanitising the water. You could boil it but if you don’t have fuel back up in the event of utilities going down, your water will only be good for washing and throwing down the toilet.

Most are arranging ways to boil water with alternative fuel methods and many are also buying water purification tablets., but yes as you say without these precautions you can't use it for cooking or drinking.

LilyBunch25 · 21/09/2026 16:18

TemporarilyCantDoMyself · 21/09/2026 14:46

For water I'm using milk bottles that I've sterilised with Milton and then all the water after the very first rinse is going on the garden, so not wasted.
First bottle ready to go to the garage.

Exactly what I've been doing 👍

Holeymoley28 · 21/09/2026 16:27

I’ve enough tablets to convert maybe half our pool into drinking water. They have a 5 year life

Dh keeps buying charcoal whenever he sees it on offer. So I guess that’s his plan for the main source of cooking/boiling water if the electric went out. Though we have a gas stove. We don’t have any mains gas cooking appliances in our house.

TemporarilyCantDoMyself · 21/09/2026 16:39

LilyBunch25 · 21/09/2026 16:18

Exactly what I've been doing 👍

I think it was you who suggested Milton to me! I got mine this morning in a Morrisons order, they've got it on 3 for 2 at the moment.