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AIBU to think Labour are worsening tensions at home and abroad?

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SweetAudry · 08/09/2026 16:10

Not content with making us enemy No.1 with Russia, pissing off the USA, rising tensions with Argentina … they’ve now managed to make an enemy of Isreal too.

Dont even get me started on the hostility rising within our own country!

WTF are Labour playing at??

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CoventryCity · 08/09/2026 21:01

YvieYfronts · 08/09/2026 20:53

How is that even relevant? Believing what is happening in Palestine is terrorism doesn’t = supporting Hamas. What a stupid thing to think!

Edited

You misunderstand. I asked pp 'what are your thoughts on Hamas?'. Note I didn't ask you but you're welcome to answer, as long as you actually answer the question asked rather than write incoherent nonsense.

buttercup786 · 08/09/2026 21:01

I’m glad of the sanctions today, the illegal settlements are disgraceful and the treatment of the Palestinians in the West Bank and in Gaza is absolutely unacceptable, I for one am glad that we are making a small stand. They have been ethnically cleansing the Palestinians and it can’t go on. Im also glad we aren’t appeasing Russia or the USA, both need to be held accountable.

muddyford · 08/09/2026 21:01

HandPulledNoodles · 08/09/2026 20:57

Palestinians are not Hamas. What an outright abhorrent thing to say.

A majority voted for Hamas in the most recent elections.

Tomatill0 · 08/09/2026 21:03

LuckyHazelFox · 08/09/2026 20:51

Correct. If you're approaching the situation via recent years, I'm not surprised you've been fooled.

The footage the world is seeing of settler violence and atrocities is not propaganda.

CoventryCity · 08/09/2026 21:04

HandPulledNoodles · 08/09/2026 20:57

Palestinians are not Hamas. What an outright abhorrent thing to say.

So what nationality are members of Hamas? Where are Hamas based? What government do Hamas control?

LuckyHazelFox · 08/09/2026 21:07

Tomatill0 · 08/09/2026 21:03

The footage the world is seeing of settler violence and atrocities is not propaganda.

Shame you're not seeing what happened 6000 years ago.

DdraigGoch · 08/09/2026 21:07

CoventryCity · 08/09/2026 21:04

So what nationality are members of Hamas? Where are Hamas based? What government do Hamas control?

Hamas don't control the West Bank. The Palestinian Authority does. So Hamas is irrelevant here.

juldan · 08/09/2026 21:07

hattie43 · 08/09/2026 16:35

They are making a hash of international relationships. It’s like they’re trying to alienate our allies and that makes us vulnerable. I feel at the moment the only people they want to encourage is the Muslim world .

@hattie43

Do you follow the news at all?

1.Russia has NEVER been an ally. The West tried not to piss them off too much after Crimea was taken from Ukraine in 2014. Did it help? Like hell it did. Russia read it as a green light to take the rest of Ukraine. Shall we just let them crack on instead? What next? A NATO country?

2.USA. It has been Trump who has been pissing off the allies, not the other way around.
Buddying up with Putin and doing 180% turn on Ukraine.
Threatening to take Greenland from Denmark, a NATO country.
Starting tariff war with Canada, another ally.
Trying to bully his allies to join the pointless war in Iran. According to Pentagon there have been 808 American casualties, including 18 killed. Would you like to send British soldiers to the same fate? Would you send your children to fight there?

3.The relations with the sane NATO allies have been going from strength to strength under the Labour. Have you ever heard about the Coalition of the Willing for example? UK have been meeting regularly with France, Germany, Spain, Canada. They even managed to establish very good working relations with Meloni. She used to be Trump fan but not anymore.

4.It’s high time someone stood up to Netanyahu. Glad that our government has the guts to join other decent countries condemning his policies in the West Bank.

LuckyHazelFox · 08/09/2026 21:07

DdraigGoch · 08/09/2026 21:07

Hamas don't control the West Bank. The Palestinian Authority does. So Hamas is irrelevant here.

You really believe they are distinct from one another!

CoventryCity · 08/09/2026 21:08

DdraigGoch · 08/09/2026 21:07

Hamas don't control the West Bank. The Palestinian Authority does. So Hamas is irrelevant here.

What are your thoughts on Hamas?

DdraigGoch · 08/09/2026 21:09

CoventryCity · 08/09/2026 21:08

What are your thoughts on Hamas?

That they're murderous bastards.

Which doesn't serve as an excuse for the IDF to massacre civilians.

Tomatill0 · 08/09/2026 21:11

LuckyHazelFox · 08/09/2026 21:07

Shame you're not seeing what happened 6000 years ago.

Wow so events that happened 6000 years ago negate atrocities happening now. Just no.

Tomatill0 · 08/09/2026 21:12

juldan · 08/09/2026 21:07

@hattie43

Do you follow the news at all?

1.Russia has NEVER been an ally. The West tried not to piss them off too much after Crimea was taken from Ukraine in 2014. Did it help? Like hell it did. Russia read it as a green light to take the rest of Ukraine. Shall we just let them crack on instead? What next? A NATO country?

2.USA. It has been Trump who has been pissing off the allies, not the other way around.
Buddying up with Putin and doing 180% turn on Ukraine.
Threatening to take Greenland from Denmark, a NATO country.
Starting tariff war with Canada, another ally.
Trying to bully his allies to join the pointless war in Iran. According to Pentagon there have been 808 American casualties, including 18 killed. Would you like to send British soldiers to the same fate? Would you send your children to fight there?

3.The relations with the sane NATO allies have been going from strength to strength under the Labour. Have you ever heard about the Coalition of the Willing for example? UK have been meeting regularly with France, Germany, Spain, Canada. They even managed to establish very good working relations with Meloni. She used to be Trump fan but not anymore.

4.It’s high time someone stood up to Netanyahu. Glad that our government has the guts to join other decent countries condemning his policies in the West Bank.

Exactly this! 👏🏿

Martymcfly24 · 08/09/2026 21:13

muddyford · 08/09/2026 21:01

A majority voted for Hamas in the most recent elections.

And what year were the "most recent elections '?

LuckyHazelFox · 08/09/2026 21:13

Tomatill0 · 08/09/2026 21:11

Wow so events that happened 6000 years ago negate atrocities happening now. Just no.

When you know the history and not just a selective recent part, you won't be so gullible.

Annoyed with myself for entering into this shit that belongs in the echo chamber of the CITME board.

CoventryCity · 08/09/2026 21:14

LuckyHazelFox · 08/09/2026 21:13

When you know the history and not just a selective recent part, you won't be so gullible.

Annoyed with myself for entering into this shit that belongs in the echo chamber of the CITME board.

I was just thinking the same.

Lentilcakes · 08/09/2026 21:19

Bringemout · 08/09/2026 17:44

Yes absolutely but there is a lot going on, the Gazans will be going to elections, there is a rebuild to worry about. Gazans will understandably have zero access to work in Israel for a while, at least some Palestinians interest the west bank are employed. What they are proposing to do will probably means some Palestinians experience job losses and if Israel chooses to it will cause job losses here.

This is soundbite politics, it’s for domestic consumption to stop the haemorrhaging to the greens and gaza Mp’s but some poor bastard in the West Bank is going to get laid off as well as possibly some poor bastard in a pharma production site in the UK. If it was in any way useful to anyone I would look a bit more kindly on it. This is entirely to soothe anyone for whom Gaza is their main point of concern.

Totally agree.

YvieYfronts · 08/09/2026 21:22

CoventryCity · 08/09/2026 21:01

You misunderstand. I asked pp 'what are your thoughts on Hamas?'. Note I didn't ask you but you're welcome to answer, as long as you actually answer the question asked rather than write incoherent nonsense.

I understood the question perfectly well. I simply chose to address the insinuation behind it rather than play along with it. I have nothing further to add.

Tomatill0 · 08/09/2026 21:23

LuckyHazelFox · 08/09/2026 21:13

When you know the history and not just a selective recent part, you won't be so gullible.

Annoyed with myself for entering into this shit that belongs in the echo chamber of the CITME board.

Wow so we just turn a blind eye to atrocities now do we because of history- no!

Many many people in this country have been appalled by Israel’s actions for some time,don’t want to touch anything from Israel and are relieved that finally a government has the balls to stand up to them.

It’s called doing the right thing.

CoventryCity · 08/09/2026 21:23

YvieYfronts · 08/09/2026 21:22

I understood the question perfectly well. I simply chose to address the insinuation behind it rather than play along with it. I have nothing further to add.

I must say I am surprised.

Not really.

TheWitchwithNoName · 08/09/2026 21:31

HandPulledNoodles · 08/09/2026 20:57

Palestinians are not Hamas. What an outright abhorrent thing to say.

Bit harsh as a third of the people that attacked on 7 October were Palestinian, according to Hamas

emmetgirl · 08/09/2026 21:42

Is that you Kemi?

Fartughtyred · 08/09/2026 21:45

Tomatill0 · 08/09/2026 20:42

Don’t be ridiculous. What is happening in Palestine is nothing short of terrorism and it’s despicable. Nobody should be ignoring it.

Strange then how many of their Muslim brethren are doing just that....... Wasn't it good of Egypt and Jordan to open their borders to Palestinian refugees from Gaza. Oh wait, they didn't? Why was that?

Martymcfly24 · 08/09/2026 21:48

Fartughtyred · 08/09/2026 21:45

Strange then how many of their Muslim brethren are doing just that....... Wasn't it good of Egypt and Jordan to open their borders to Palestinian refugees from Gaza. Oh wait, they didn't? Why was that?

Because they don't agree with enabling Israel with ethnic cleansing and both countries already have a sizeable refugee population from Gaza that they cannot afford to support.

Tomatill0 · 08/09/2026 21:48

Fartughtyred · 08/09/2026 21:45

Strange then how many of their Muslim brethren are doing just that....... Wasn't it good of Egypt and Jordan to open their borders to Palestinian refugees from Gaza. Oh wait, they didn't? Why was that?

We’re talking about atrocities that Israel is carrying out not refugees. We absolutely shouldn’t be supporting them in any way.