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Dog crates are cruel

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Poppycorn123 · 02/09/2026 13:31

In light of this terrible story I think they should be banned. Yes people will say they are good for training etc but I think in general they are being overused. A family member would put the dog in it while they have guests. Dog is not vicious or anything, just gets a bit excited as a young dog should. I think this is awful.

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beaglescurleduplikebagels · 02/09/2026 14:58

Poppycorn123 · 02/09/2026 14:33

You are completely missing the point. I didn't say that the crates were the reason for those dogs' deaths. Yes they probably would have died of starvation and dehydration regardless. What I'm saying is that using them incorrectly has been completely normalised and they are overused. Complete laziness. I don't think they should be completely enclosed.

Many dogs are not safe outside of a crate, though. I walk several dogs who will eat the furniture if they're left "free" - crate them, and they curl up quite happily and sleep.

Of course locking dogs in crates (or in rooms, or anywhere, really) is not a good idea but it's not the crate that's the issue here.

Summer26woohoo · 02/09/2026 15:03

Dearg · 02/09/2026 14:28

We euphemistically call them crates because we don’t like the word ‘cage’ , but cages they are. And like all cages , they need to be used correctly. ( to be clear, I am not a fan)

This is a sad story, but it’s neglect which killed the dogs

Agree.

The terminology 'crate' is used because it makes it sound better, that's all. The crate - a training tool. The crate - their safe place. How lovely and responsible.

In actual reality, it's just a cage though isn't it? A small wire or wood cage that you keep at home, to lock away the dog when it becomes or may become inconvenient. Massively over and mis-used ime.

I can actually see the value of a secure area for short periods when you have a very young puppy or a sick dog whose movements must be restricted. I preferred a puppy pen for ours when she was very young because it was 5 times bigger than a large crate so she still had room to play - and up to 6 months she was in it when we went out or to bed. She was a baby in an unfamiliar environment. At 6 months ish we got rid.

I can also see why a doorless crate may be kept forever...dogs do sometimes want to hunker down under something and be alone. Every so often ours takes herself off to the dining room for a nap under the table...usually after a mammoth walk or if there's a housefull. And the message is very clearly 'i'm done now, leave me the fuck alone'. And we do. And a couple of hours later she'll wander back to spend the rest of the evening on the sofa with us. If we had a crate here, I absolutely believe she'd use it for those times.

But dogs are pack animals and largely want to be with their people. So many times I read of people locking adult dogs in cages for 12 hours a night. Even before they go to bed. 7-7 every night or similar. Or every time when guests are over - talk about how to induce anxiety in a dog every time people are around. Even for work...oh I'm only gone 4 hours, she LOVES her crate, she's fine.

No space to stretch their legs or adjust their temperature. Just stuck there in one tiny cage until someone let's them out.

It's cruel, unnatural and unhealthy, both physically and mentally. But so many people are so captured they can't see it.

beaglescurleduplikebagels · 02/09/2026 15:05

No space to stretch their legs or adjust their temperature. Just stuck there in one tiny cage until someone let's them out.

That depends on the size of the crate. You can get massive ones that are safe and secure, but big enough for a bed, a cool surface, a bowl of water and for the dog to stand, turn around and lie their full stretched out length.

TrixieFatell · 02/09/2026 15:05

I loved the crate. I was unsure at first but I was advised to get one because I had young children. Our dog was free to come and go out the crate but that was their space to go to when they had enough of us. It also meant when we went on holiday and took the dog with us they also had somewhere very familiar they could sleep.

It's like anything, people can use it incorrectly and it can cause harm.

Morepositivemum · 02/09/2026 15:06

I don’t know, people will say in the right hands but actually most dog owners aren’t near professional when it comes to behaviour and ownership (most like to think they are but I’d say a very small percentage are) but at the same time most dogs I’ve seen in crates do seem content! We never did but everyone I’ve seen with them the dogs aren’t exactly pining to get out which to me would make them not cruel, in fact I’ll go as far as to say they seem like a haven to some!

RoachFish · 02/09/2026 15:07

Morepositivemum · 02/09/2026 15:06

I don’t know, people will say in the right hands but actually most dog owners aren’t near professional when it comes to behaviour and ownership (most like to think they are but I’d say a very small percentage are) but at the same time most dogs I’ve seen in crates do seem content! We never did but everyone I’ve seen with them the dogs aren’t exactly pining to get out which to me would make them not cruel, in fact I’ll go as far as to say they seem like a haven to some!

Most dogs start out pining and whimpering in their crate, that's why you have to crate train. They stop when they realise there is no way out and them being unhappy or lonely doesn't mean someone will let them out.

Summer26woohoo · 02/09/2026 15:08

She takes herself there when it's bedtime, keeps her toys in there, and lets us know when she wants in and out during the day

Lets you know? So why not just leave the door open? She can hardly let you know when she's stiff or too warm at 2am and wants to stretch or move, can she?

Summer26woohoo · 02/09/2026 15:11

beaglescurleduplikebagels · 02/09/2026 15:05

No space to stretch their legs or adjust their temperature. Just stuck there in one tiny cage until someone let's them out.

That depends on the size of the crate. You can get massive ones that are safe and secure, but big enough for a bed, a cool surface, a bowl of water and for the dog to stand, turn around and lie their full stretched out length.

I've never seen any crate large enough for that tbph.

Maybe if you're putting a Westie in one designed for a Newfoundland. I doubt there are many of those though.

beaglescurleduplikebagels · 02/09/2026 15:13

Summer26woohoo · 02/09/2026 15:11

I've never seen any crate large enough for that tbph.

Maybe if you're putting a Westie in one designed for a Newfoundland. I doubt there are many of those though.

I haven't seen lots of things, that doesn't mean they don't exist Confused

Isobel201 · 02/09/2026 15:14

People complain about flexi leads but we use one with Ted and we don't have any issues, its the same thing. Crates are not necessarily unsafe.

Soontobe60 · 02/09/2026 15:14

Poppycorn123 · 02/09/2026 13:38

Strange HappiestSleeping, I can see the story ok. Basically two dogs were found dead in their crates despite neighbours concerns. Neighbours contacted the police numerous times but nothing was done.

Sadly, many dogs are mistreated by their owners whether they are in crates or not. Should we just ban dogs?

Deadringer · 02/09/2026 15:15

Our dog loves her crate. We used to close it at night when she was younger but we leave it open now and she pops in every night at bedtime. We don't need to use it to contain her if we have workmen or guests as we can put her in another room but we could use it if necessary. I think leaving dogs locked in them for hours at a time is cruel though.

Joliloily · 02/09/2026 15:15

I’ve crate trained two dogs now. If you know how to use them, they are an excellent trading tool.

SulkingInTheCatio · 02/09/2026 15:16

Poppycorn123 · 02/09/2026 13:38

Strange HappiestSleeping, I can see the story ok. Basically two dogs were found dead in their crates despite neighbours concerns. Neighbours contacted the police numerous times but nothing was done.

I’m not going to read the story but I doubt it’s the actual crate which killed them? More like neglect? Which can happen in or out of a crate.

my dog was crate trained by the breeder before I had him and when he was young I used the crate at night. Crate is now in the shed but is used at dog shows and also occasionally in the caravan awning.

He’s perfectly happy in there. In fact if I tie him up in the caravan awning while I go to the loo block he barks, if I put him in his crate he lies down quietly. My caravan neighbours told me this last time I was away. I can go for a shower and know he’s safe and quiet.

beaglescurleduplikebagels · 02/09/2026 15:16

A dog in my town has been left unattended (apart from one visit) since Friday. It's almost destroyed the front door, it's barked, it's howled, it's trashed the house. The RSPCA have been called multiple times (as have the police) but they won't do anything until the dog has been unattended for 72 hours straight.

The crate is not the issue. Shit owners will be shit owners regardless.

ShapeofanLonmyforehead · 02/09/2026 15:17

My boy is crate trained, he sleep in his crate at night and it’s left open during the day for an escape/little den for him. He occasionally goes in it for a nap during the day, or trudges off with a treat in there when the kids are being a bit on the hyper side 🤣 he’s got a crate mattress, anti-anxiety bed, pillow and a couple of blankets in there.. he’s got it good I swear 😆

LeahCariad · 02/09/2026 15:18

Crates aren't cruel. Owners are.

Banning them is an over-reaction, do we ban everything that gets misused then?

My DDog loves his crate. It's his space, it's safe, dark, cosy, and he pops in and out as the mood takes him. He's never shut in, unless we are travelling in the car.

Responsible pet owners care about the wellbeing of their animals. Saying that they are overused, using them is complete laziness does not apply to the majority.

StrathSellsFlats · 02/09/2026 15:20

My 2 previous German Shepherds had crates ( so big I could get in them!) We removed the doors completely so they were more like a den. Blankets, toys, odd bits of hidden food and bones went in there! Both dogs sloped off into them at random throughout the day to chew toys or go to sleep out of the way, and went in them (without me telling them to) when they saw me getting ready to go out. Please explain how this is cruel??

Current GSD is my first rescue and has to be near me 24/7 so I wouldn’t bother with one for her.
Crates serve a purpose
their place in dog & human living.
Or is this the now - weekly moan about dogs and dog ownership?
Last weeks was
“ dogs in restaurants”
Wonder what next weeks will be?? 🤔

HarshbutTrue2 · 02/09/2026 15:24

KaleidoscopeSmile · 02/09/2026 13:42

Crates are only acceptable if they're left open at all times and the dog uses it to take himself away. Otherwise they're restrictive and cruel and if you wouldn't put your child in one, you shouldn't be putting your dog in one. In fact I think that people who shut their dogs in crates shouldn't have a dog

People who put their babies in cots shouldn't have babies.

Cots are safe places for babies to play and sleep

ByDreamyMember · 02/09/2026 15:26

A fully grown adult dog with all of its senses isn't meant to live in a cage.
Temporary use- yes that makes sense.
But all the long descriptions of how a dog can be trained to enjoy being locked away just prove that it's not in their nature.
We train dogs to behave against their nature e.g. not pooing inside the house, but have to accept that sometimes their nature will win out.
Unless the dog was showing severe behavioural issues, I'd never train it to go in a cage because the chances of it feeling trapped are too high.
Taking on a pet means understanding the animal not just moulding it to your every need. I get it's difficult though.

Edit: this refers to crates with locked doors. One without a door is practically just a den...

Nincompoo · 02/09/2026 15:31

HarshbutTrue2 · 02/09/2026 15:24

People who put their babies in cots shouldn't have babies.

Cots are safe places for babies to play and sleep

Not for 8 hours a day while their parents are at work and 8 hours overnight while their parents are in bed they’re not.

MyMilchick · 02/09/2026 15:33

Nincompoo · 02/09/2026 15:31

Not for 8 hours a day while their parents are at work and 8 hours overnight while their parents are in bed they’re not.

"8 hours overnight while their parents are in bed they’re not."

umm?

Nincompoo · 02/09/2026 15:36

MyMilchick · 02/09/2026 15:33

"8 hours overnight while their parents are in bed they’re not."

umm?

oh yea 😬 my point about the day still stands though 🤣

Scattery · 02/09/2026 15:37

YABU.

Correlation is not causation.

Leashes can be used to abuse a dog, should we ban leashes?
Collars can be used to abuse a dog, should we ban collars?
No, we should actually crack down on abusive owners and ban them from owning animals.

Once again, correlation is NOT causation.

lessglittermoremud · 02/09/2026 15:38

The dogs died because the owner abandoned them by the sounds of it, they were crated but if he abandoned them in a flat/house without food/water the result sadly would have been the same.
Crates if used correctly can be useful, these dogs don’t sound like they stood a chance because of who their owner was, not because crates were invented.

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