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AIBU to feel angry about Notting Hill Carnival behaviour?

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ProudBlackMomma · 01/09/2026 10:41

Any other London folk mortified by the Notting Hill carnival? Hundreds of arrests, lewd behaviour, vulgarity and litter. It does not represent my culture. It’s an embarrassment.

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nomas · 01/09/2026 14:47

Backedoffhackedoff · 01/09/2026 14:40

local London taxpayers pay for it. Unless you pay a London borough council tax that’s not you

That poster is on a different thread amazed that fat people exist.

These posters seem to be ripe for a Venn diagram.

GoodkneeBadKnee · 01/09/2026 14:49

RisingSunn · 01/09/2026 14:22

Hmm your same the poster that created a post slating an African colleague about her views on supporting the England football team - and now Notting Hill Carnival…but of course… you claim to black yourself. 🙄

To answer your question it’s a bit too crowded for me - but the beautiful floats and costumes are amazing - along with the steel pans. It’s a wonderful celebration of Caribbean culture.
Though maybe getting to big for the narrow roads of Ladbroke Grove and Notting Hill.

Yeah, I've reported the OP, but MN admins aren't bothered

Noodledog · 01/09/2026 14:50

darkdaysareover · 01/09/2026 12:09

Have you actually ever walked around Notting hill?? If you think the 5 storey town houses are owned by us commoners then you’re deluded.

You obviously have no idea about London if you think anywhere in London, no matter how expensive, doesn't have a lot of social housing- just googled and in Notting Hill carnival area it's about 35%. So people imagining it's just posh white people whining are talking crap.

trumpredcard · 01/09/2026 14:51

"Many years ago there was a letter in The Guardian, and I’m talking about 40 years ago, from a woman who said that despite the multicultural origins that are claimed for it. She and her neighbours had lived in Powys Terrace and they started it for their children who had nothing to do over the summer. But I dare say she’s dead and nobody gives a shit now how or why it really started."

The history of NHC disagrees with you as the roots are imbedded in activism against racism rather than simply something to keep children occupied during the summer holidays.

Kelso Cochrane was a 32 year old, Antiguan born carpenter, and aspiring lawyer, living in Notting Hill at a time when racial tensions were high. He died after a racially motivated attack on Southam Street (off Golborne Road) Notting Hill on May 17th 1959 (today a blue plaque marks the spot). His murder had a huge impact on race relations. Reportedly, there were over 1,200 attendees at his funeral. Many of whom came to demonstrate solidarity and a show of defiance against racism locally.
Activism was stepped up to Whitehall when it was felt the investigation into the murder was complacent, and allegations of a police cover up began to circulate (the case is unsolved to date). Rab Butler, the then Home Secretary, made an appeal for witnesses in Parliament and went on to launch a public inquiry into race relations. Much activity to ease racial tension within the Notting Hill area preceded Cochrane's murder, leading to a children's street fayre organised by local resident and community activist, Rhaune Laslett.

Laslett is reported to have said of her community and her event "We felt that although West Indians, Africans, Irish and many others nationalities all live in a very congested area, there is very little communication between us. If we can infect them with a desire to participate, then this can only have good results." It was this small community children’s street fayre back in the mid 60s that would morph into what we now know as Notting Hill Carnival.

Claudia Jones, a Trinidadian human rights activist based in London, put on a BBC broadcasted indoor ‘Caribbean Carnival’ at St Pancras Town Hall back in 1959. She is widely credited with planting the seeds for Carnival in the UK by doing so.
An appetite for the indoor Caribbean carnival was fed by Trinidadian husband and wife booking agents Edric and Pearl Connor who along with many partners including the West Indian Gazette (which was founded by Claudia Jones) began promoting indoor events in halls dotted around 1960s London.

https://nhcarnival.org/experience/history

History - Notting Hill Carnival

Updates “If there weren’t race riots in Notting Hill I don’t believe that we would have had the Notting Hill Carnival. If it wasn’t for the murder of Kelso Cochrane, Carnival wouldn’t have happened.” The late Political Activist and Broadcaster, Darcus...

https://nhcarnival.org/experience/history

Noodledog · 01/09/2026 14:53

nomas · 01/09/2026 13:28

The people who paid millions to live there can afford to move if they don’t like it. It was there before them for most of them.

And how about the people stuck living there in social housing- they don't count, I guess.

nomas · 01/09/2026 14:57

Noodledog · 01/09/2026 14:53

And how about the people stuck living there in social housing- they don't count, I guess.

That poster was talking about the people
who have millions.

As for the people living in social housing, what about the ones living under the Heathrow flight path and getting increased cancer rates?

Sometimes we all just have to compromise.

Freud2 · 01/09/2026 14:58

Greenseacat · 01/09/2026 10:49

I lived in London for 30 years and only went to the Carnival once out of curiosity and because a friend wanted to go.

Just too crowded for me and too many issues with it.

It is sad but with large events like this you will also have people who behave appallingly and spoil it for the largely peaceful majority.

I met a policeman in my line of work who told me how they all dread doing their stint at Nottinghill Carnival as the crime was off the scale. Also he said it was under-reported because of "cultural sensitivities". Why doesn't that surprise me!

happydappy2 · 01/09/2026 15:09

I went to Carnival about 30 years ago-then like now, it was pretty lawless....Police observe rather than tackle crime-they are hideously outnumbered by 'potential' criminals. It costs a fortune, leaves an awful mess & I don't think the tax payer should have to fund this anymore. Why not run it as a ticketed event?

trumpredcard · 01/09/2026 15:09

Whammyammy · 01/09/2026 13:49

We call it stabfest

Okaayyy. Btw, who is "we"?

nomas · 01/09/2026 15:12

happydappy2 · 01/09/2026 15:09

I went to Carnival about 30 years ago-then like now, it was pretty lawless....Police observe rather than tackle crime-they are hideously outnumbered by 'potential' criminals. It costs a fortune, leaves an awful mess & I don't think the tax payer should have to fund this anymore. Why not run it as a ticketed event?

Do you live in London?

GoodkneeBadKnee · 01/09/2026 15:12

Freud2 · 01/09/2026 14:58

I met a policeman in my line of work who told me how they all dread doing their stint at Nottinghill Carnival as the crime was off the scale. Also he said it was under-reported because of "cultural sensitivities". Why doesn't that surprise me!

Fascinating insight. Really thought provoking.

Backedoffhackedoff · 01/09/2026 15:12

Freud2 · 01/09/2026 14:58

I met a policeman in my line of work who told me how they all dread doing their stint at Nottinghill Carnival as the crime was off the scale. Also he said it was under-reported because of "cultural sensitivities". Why doesn't that surprise me!

Why doesn’t it surprise me you met a racist met police officer

Backedoffhackedoff · 01/09/2026 15:17

nomas · 01/09/2026 14:57

That poster was talking about the people
who have millions.

As for the people living in social housing, what about the ones living under the Heathrow flight path and getting increased cancer rates?

Sometimes we all just have to compromise.

Also let’s not forget the massive privilage that comes with a social housing priority in central London - whilst being inconvenienced a few days a year vs social housing in the rest of the country which presents nowhere near the same opportunities to residents

Popstarrrrr · 01/09/2026 15:18

dustabsorber · 01/09/2026 12:23

Plus all that arse jigging.

I love a good arse jiggle. I have a nice firm rounded bum that moves very nicely 😁

Whyhaveibeencutoutofmamsnot · 01/09/2026 15:19

The food vendor shown on the website appeared to be daylight robbery - £15 for rice and peas, £15 for plain rice and £10 for bread.
Costumes were amazing - just amazed people didn't freeze to death.

JudgeJ · 01/09/2026 15:19

LlynTegid · 01/09/2026 10:44

Crime does not represent anyone's culture. Any large event becomes a magnet for crime.

But this particular event seems to be allowed to get away with far more crime with less police involvement than other events. The police are allowing 'cultural' to be used to the detriment of many, including the majority of that culture who are fed up about it.

nomas · 01/09/2026 15:19

Backedoffhackedoff · 01/09/2026 15:17

Also let’s not forget the massive privilage that comes with a social housing priority in central London - whilst being inconvenienced a few days a year vs social housing in the rest of the country which presents nowhere near the same opportunities to residents

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Very true, I’d be happy with that location.

OneLilacHedgehog · 01/09/2026 15:22

JudgeJ · 01/09/2026 15:19

But this particular event seems to be allowed to get away with far more crime with less police involvement than other events. The police are allowing 'cultural' to be used to the detriment of many, including the majority of that culture who are fed up about it.

Not true. Cream fields festival has more arrests per attendee.

Lifeomars · 01/09/2026 15:22

dustabsorber · 01/09/2026 11:21

A good year eh, just the 500 arrests.

That sounds a lot but how many people attended over the three day event? Going to check it out, 500 sounds shocking but how big were the crowds and were the arrests spread over the whole event or the result of of a couple of major incidents? Context matters.

Jane379 · 01/09/2026 15:31

HoppityBun · 01/09/2026 13:09

I used to live in the Notting Hill carnival zone and it was an absolute misery. Each year it got bigger and bigger and louder and louder. Elderly people in care homes were literally bussed out for days at the seaside. For weeks beforehand barricades go up in front of council flats, portable loos and portable urinals line the streets and shop windows are boarded up. Everywhere is used as a toilet even though there are plenty of portable public loos because there are just too many people.

The chief executive of Kensington & Chelsea * once said to me “well you knew what it was like when you moved here“. Well, I didn’t, actually because when I moved there, it was quite low-key. The sound of the police helicopter overhead, the smell of the cooking, the crowds who just don’t give a damn that this is where you live, the enormous speakers that are stacked on top of each other, so you’re in your living room and you can’t hear the radio or television but you can feel the thump in your chest, ruin the last bank holiday of the year. It’s bloody awful.

Many years ago there was a letter in The Guardian, and I’m talking about 40 years ago, from a woman who said that despite the multicultural origins that are claimed for it. She and her neighbours had lived in Powys Terrace and they started it for their children who had nothing to do over the summer. But I dare say she’s dead and nobody gives a shit now how or why it really started. There was a plan to move it to the parks that was resisted, quite rightly. I just can’t see it ever ending. It’s an imposition on the people who live there who, I would like to inform anyone who doesn’t know the area, are not all rich people living in white stucco three million pound houses.

  • he, of course, did not live in the carnival zone. In fact, I’d known him in a previous job and he was a reasonable man but that was an unreasonable comment..
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Many years ago there was a letter in The Guardian, and I’m talking about 40 years ago, from a woman who said that despite the multicultural origins that are claimed for it. She and her neighbours had lived in Powys Terrace and they started it for their children who had nothing to do over the summer. But I dare say she’s dead and nobody gives a shit now how or why it really started.'

Do you mean Rhaune Laslett? Her carnival should be better remembered, but she did include Carribean culture in her parade, among others, and it wasn't simply as children had nothing to do : that was part of it but earlier race riots were part of the reason.
I don't think the origins are a battle of either/or. Rhane Lauslett and Claudia Jones both originated important elements that evolved into today's carnival. Wikipedia is unreliable I know often, but the following claims are sourced : '
Rhaune Laslett (15 November 1919 – 28 April 2002)[1] was an English community activist and the principal organiser of the Notting Hill Fayre or Festival, that evolved into the Notting Hill Carnival.

Rhaune Laslett

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhaune_Laslett

Main article: Notting Hill Carnival
In a series of articles to newspaper correspondents and in The Grove (newsletter of the London Free School),[7] Laslett outlined the aims of the festival – that the various culture groups of Notting Hill become more familiar with each other's customs, to bring more colour and life to the streets and to counter the perception of the area being a run-down slum. As she stated to The Grove, "We felt that although West Indians, Africans, Irish and many other nationalities all live in a very congested area, there is very little communication between us. If we can infect them with a desire to participate then this can only have good results." The "Notting Hill Fayre and Pageant", or the London Free School Fair, was held over a week starting on 18 September 1966, and, as well as featuring a pageant that included "a man dressed as Elizabeth I and children as Charles Dickens characters", there was "a Portobello parade consisting of the London Irish girl pipers, a West Indian New Orleans-style marching band, Ginger Johnson's African-Cuban band, and Russell Henderson's Trinidadian steelband from the Coleherne pub in Earl's Court, followed by 2 fire engines".[8]

As Gary Younge has written, Laslett "spoke to the local police about organising a carnival". With more of an English fete in mind, she invited the various ethnic groups of what was then the poor area of Notting Hill - Ukrainians, Spanish, Portuguese, Irish, Caribbeans and Africans - to contribute to a week-long event that would culminate with an August bank holiday parade....She borrowed costumes from Madame Tussaud's; a local hairdresser did the hair and make-up for nothing; the gas board and fire brigade had floats; and stallholders in Portobello market donated horses and carts. Around 1,500 people turned up, according to police figures."[9]

Neighbourhood Service

Legacy

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Laslett's Carnival: A Photography Exhibition, a photographic journey into the history of Notting Hill Carnival and its early pioneers, was held at The Tabernacle, Notting Hill, in August 2011.[12][13][14]

On 26 August 2011, a blue plaque commemorating Laslett's conception of the Notting Hill street festival that "later evolved into Notting Hill Carnival" was unveiled on the corner of Tavistock Square and Portobello Road (organised by the Nubian Jak Community Trust), facing another blue plaque that commemorates Claudia Jones, who in 1959 organised an indoor Caribbean carnival event.[15][16]

On the eve of the 2016 Carnival, in a series of articles, the leading black newspaper The Voice recognised that "Yes, this is Notting Hill Carnival's 50th year"[17] and "Rhaune Laslett: The true founder of Notting Hill Carnival".[18]

Aphrodite89 · 01/09/2026 15:40

nomas · 01/09/2026 13:50

There were 1,963 football related arrests in 2025-2026.

Total attendance for just the top 4 divisions of men's football last year was 34.94 million. That doesn't include any divisions below that, any cup, European, international or women's matches. Factor those in and the figure is likely well above 40 million. 1,963 arrests among that number of attendees is frankly tiny and a much lower per head figure than the Carnival has.

SovietSpy · 01/09/2026 15:40

Estimates say that around 2 million people attended the Notting Hill Carnival

It's interesting there's no robust methodology around the claim of 2 million people attending NHC. That's what the organiser's quote as an estimate. But it seems this is based on an estimate of 'attendance' so could be the same people going several times over the bank holiday rather than unique visitors. And there are never 2 million people in the carnival area all at once.
I wonder how this impacts the crime stats, as no reasonable way to compare crime with other ticketed events where attendance can be measured.

nomas · 01/09/2026 15:42

Aphrodite89 · 01/09/2026 15:40

Total attendance for just the top 4 divisions of men's football last year was 34.94 million. That doesn't include any divisions below that, any cup, European, international or women's matches. Factor those in and the figure is likely well above 40 million. 1,963 arrests among that number of attendees is frankly tiny and a much lower per head figure than the Carnival has.

But football games are ticketed events with fans being coralled into specific closed in areas and bad behaviour risks the fan banned from supporting their team for life

It's not a like for like comparison.

Boomer55 · 01/09/2026 15:43

ProudBlackMomma · 01/09/2026 10:41

Any other London folk mortified by the Notting Hill carnival? Hundreds of arrests, lewd behaviour, vulgarity and litter. It does not represent my culture. It’s an embarrassment.

The police say there was less aggro than in previous years due to heavy saturation of police and stewards. Plus £6 million more from the GLA. 🤷‍♀️

Its a pain in the neck to those who live there, but any attempt to move it has caused the usual uproar. 🙄

Freud2 · 01/09/2026 15:43

Backedoffhackedoff · 01/09/2026 15:12

Why doesn’t it surprise me you met a racist met police officer

He absolutely wasn't racist - just stating facts.

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