Andy Burnham should put the damn social care tax on landlords and big occupational pensions

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Why is it always workers who pay

I think it would be the care part only? The bed and board would be paid by the person needing the care I imagine. You’d have to hope that carehomes wouldn’t just hike their prices up though.

Tax pensions and people won't save properly and then we'll all end up funding their retirement. We should be encouraging people to save for their future and take responsibility for themselves.

But why? The government spends more on the elderly than on children by a wide margin. I understand why it spends on children, they're not capable of paying for themselves. But if you've had your whole life to prepare for your old age, and have failed to do so, why should younger people pay for that?

People paid the tax, the government told them to do. What else did you expect them to do?

You need to complain about the people in government at the time, not ordinary taxpayers. I bet at least over 50% of the electorate, eligible to vote, did not vote for the winning party in general elections in recent times?

@LathkillDalebut do you understand now?

It is a shame you have to be in a romantic relationship in order for the state to recognise "your person".

Single people dont live in a vacuum. We usually do have a person who we call when something good or bad happens, when we have news etc. It can be a relative, a friend...

It is a shame the state doesnt recognise someone's nominated "person". It can only be a romantic person.

Same with corporate health insurance - also penalised. Colleagues add their person, their special someone - spouse or partner. I have a special someone (my mum) but i am not in a romatic relationship with her so i cannot add her. 😤

I hope i have explained that well enough but do you see what i mean?

People have paid higher paye taxes years ago ( can’t source it, but I’ve read about it on mumsnet historically) but the difference now is the price of everything we need to survive has increased so much it’s harder to live especially if your on your own. Houses rent , food , utilities, insurance , even owning a pet is huge and if you look at anything you need doing it’s always hundreds of pounds. People are struggling and even the ‘ broadest shoulders ‘ are finding it tricky if they have a young family and many need two incomes.
It’s so much harder now especially for the young generations. I feel sorry for them.

Landlords pay a shitload of tax, thanks to George Osborne.

Only if the "attempt to dispose of assets or cash" can be proven to be to avoid care costs. If it was done for other reasons, the council will have a very hard job to claw it back. True, there's no specific time line, but the more years between giving it away and needing care, the less the chance of the council being able to claw back.

People VOTED for low tax governments, so yes you can blame the people!

I’d rather pay into a private healthcare scheme for my own care should I need it in old age. A majority of people don’t end up in a care home anyway. I’d rather take responsibility for myself than have my taxes increased to subsidise other people. Plus unless ringfenced, it’s doubtful increased taxes will be routed to social/health care. Also, care homes need to up their game. A lot of them are dire - unskilled staff, dirty, poor care. Generally run by people who only see pound signs, and really couldn’t give a toss about anyone residing there.

The problem is more and more people will make sure they don’t have money . It’s becoming increasingly obvious that the incentive to work is diminishing . We’ve been conditioned to get a good education , get a good job , get a good salary , a house , a life and prepare for your retirement through sensible savings . If that is then taken away to pay for those who don’t do those things people will start asking what the point is . They probably won’t take that promotion and the stress that goes with it , they won’t do extra hours etc . Those that afford themselves a good standard of living will just make sure they give to their families / children earlier before they die . And how aggrieved will families feel who’ve just spent hundreds of thousands on care to find 2 years later they could pay 10% and had something left .
Personally I’m really pleased this is a cross party issue as something has to be done . I personally think 10% of the deceased’s estate is fair to support social care but I’m sure those who have money will do everything they can to minimise their estate so 10% of very little left is all they pay . It could backfire .

Me neither - probably some junior labour intern hoping to get brownie points for a weird idea.

We need to create wealth.

You can’t blame people though. For years politicians have been ‘
do as I say, not as I do ‘ and now people have become wise to to it all and want to look out for their own.
Im not saying it’s right , but it’s obvious governments don’t really look after you much! They just want your money , no wonder people hide so much. Or work the system. It’s not right , but they seem to be the ones who get on well!

The system will collapse at the point when the money being paid in isn't enough to fund the services needed by those who can't or won't pay for them..

That's the point of having cross party consensus. I think they will also have to look at overall avoidance property trusts balance out who pays, even if it means tracing disposed of capital down the line to th recipients and collecting tax on that.

I’d like to see more done to help carers so that families can actually make it work. The current system is just all wrong.

NHS pensions aren’t all the same. They’re based on your salary. You’ll probably have a bigger pension than some NHS workers will!

No national insurance

So no pension…

71% tax last year. Enough already.

Some people voted for low tax policies. As I said, I suspect the majority didn’t and I also suspect that just because a voter votes for one MP, it doesn’t mean they agree with every single policy in the whole manifesto. They might have voted on a single issue important to them. My MIL voted Conservative, because she’d always done - probably because they looked after pensioners. It doesn’t mean to say, she thought about them increasing university tuition fees for example, and agreed with that.

He needs to tax the private care homes, they make a fortune, pay their staff minimum wage for really important jobs. These care homes are parasites who prey on families in desperate times. £11,000 a month some charge...that friggin crazy

Parents and PIL all ended up in care homes, 2 due to dementia, one had cancer and a stroke, one was blind and in a wheelchair. We did our best for as long as we could, but working full time, supporting dc through exams, topping up student loans means a lot of expense and being pulled in all directions. Especially if you haven't got family to share the load. All were self funding and the fees run through pension, savings and property very quickly.
Self funders subsidise the fees of the residents who are state funded by around 50%. So they pay their share IMO.
10% of the value of an estate seems a pretty good deal to me.

Just imagine how much profit they’d squeeze out of the already cash strapped NHS. Scary to think about.

The NHS is wasting hundreds of thousands of tax payers' money on ridiculous employment tribunals and compensation payments for avoidable deaths and serious injuries. God only knows how much inquiries into various scandals is costing. It needs a complete overhaul and a move to a better (European) system.

Many people work damn hard, but it doesn’t mean it pays well. Careers can have value apart from a high wage