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AIBU to laugh when a relative called herself an empath?

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JadeOP · Yesterday 04:55

This goes a few weeks back, however I have insomnia and so of course thoughts such as this come back and forth. There will be a huge amount of context below, so this may be a longer read 😂

I was having drinks with a family member who we will call Susan for ease, and she had been going on for I’d say 75% of the time we had spent together about her “horrible” job and annoying coworkers who frankly are no worse than the average lot you’ll get in any office. I realise this sounds harsh, however the complaints are things such as “Why did my boss not be more concerned over XYZ personal issue I had” or “XYZ colleague/s were smoking outside how disgusting”. My opinion is that your boss is your boss, and whilst it’s nice if they genuinely care they only have an obligation to do what is standard for a boss, not be your counsellor. And the remarks about colleagues are just classist sh*te about people Susan has never been TRIED to like as she feels above them (despite being one of the lowest paid in the office, but feels she is middle class somehow due to her postcode and accent).

These rants happen EVERY SINGLE TIME I see her and are all on the same menial issues. I have these issues and significantly worse most weeks and yet see it as normal??

This is also someone who is snappy with service staff treating them like servants the moment they make a single error, and getting highly irritated about cold food despite everyone knowing it’s obviously not their fault and totally out of their control generally. Plus, they’re 16-25 year olds mostly who are probably exhausted doing it after uni or sixth form so just give them a break ffs??

In addition, they are someone who blatantly makes zero effort to remember anything actually important you’ve said, get to know you or truly understand any of your issues. Generally any issues you’re having are met with false care then an episode of worrying that of course makes them the object of attention, sometimes even extending to Susan wanting to take control of the situation entirely with the aim of resolving her own anxiety. But with zero logic in the solution or genuine good intention for the person facing the issue.

Now for context, Susan does have anxiety which is where I feel bad. However, and I hate to say stuff such as this, like with her job is a chronic complainer with zero actual intention of changing. I totally appreciate it’s harder to make change with MH issues, however I’ve never met someone who for 2 decades has been such a victim of their own life.

She has more than adequate financial resources to resolve this, and has been mortgage free since early 40s, so despite being on £40k has an enormous amount of disposable income to afford pretty much whatever route she wants to go down.

Now for where I blew up….
She had only 5 minutes ago stopped ranting about her job, and then shortly after was treating the poor guy serving us like a human “below” her lofty standards. She then saw a FB video (yes, I know, of all things) of children in poverty and then also a cat rescue. And claimed to be an “empath” as she apparently “nearly had tears”.

This is where to be honest I just laughed in her face and said are you seriously calling yourself an empath. Yes this was a bad approach I know, but I couldn’t deal with it anymore and this has been going on for 2 decades + as I said and I’ve always managed to keep silent.

Of course, I then had the silent treatment the whole rest of the drink until she just left and I now haven’t heard from her outside of ridiculous Facebook posts revolving around quotes.

I refuse to be going around labelling people, however I have a fair suspicion on what she is, but 1) AIBU? and 2) Is she as bad as I think or is this normal?

I won’t be hurt if I am being horrible, so please be as honest as can be haha.

OP posts:
HobgoblinNorFoulFiend · Yesterday 05:12

I’m not sure you like her very much. Maybe step back and do drinks with some different friends.

JadeOP · Yesterday 05:15

HobgoblinNorFoulFiend · Yesterday 05:12

I’m not sure you like her very much. Maybe step back and do drinks with some different friends.

This is a complex one, as I get a different version each time we meet. So it’s a constant loop of getting on well, then something happens, then I feel guilty about how I feel. Then it repeats 😅

But I do see how it could appear like this

OP posts:
confusedcrane · Yesterday 05:15

Yes you are, because your post portrays you as having the same judgemental attitude that you perceived and dislike in Susan. Exhausting.

Feels a bit like you want to boast about putting her in her place.

OtterlyAstounding · Yesterday 05:23

"I couldn’t deal with it anymore and this has been going on for 2 decades +" It's a bit silly to complain about something you keep choosing to inflict on yourself by going out with her.

From what little you've written here, you both seem like over-analysing, over-thinkers who make things difficult for yourselves. However, you're not being unreasonable to have laughed at her statement, as no one is an 'empath', and she sounds very self-absorbed.

FlapperFlamingo · Yesterday 05:29

You honestly sound as bad as each other. She is complaining about work you are complaining about her. I think you were wrong to laugh at her, I get why in your head you might be like “good god I don’t think so!” But laughing about something like that isn’t going to go well. It sounds like you need to stop seeing her - you don’t like her anyway and it doesn’t sound a kind relationship.

professionalcommentreader · Yesterday 05:35

She sounds tedious, any other family members there, if so what did they do?

Lumpycat · Yesterday 05:46

I think PPs have missed that this is a family member. We don’t choose those.
I recognise this type. Draining and self absorbed and attention seeking and always a victim. Sounds like she’s too old and probably too thick to develop any self awareness so probably pointless to laugh at her.
We have one a bit like this in a group I meet up with sometimes. More to be pitied than scorned maybe. Would be easy enough to rip her to pieces for a laugh but I try to ignore and nod along. I can tell a couple of the others think the same!

ClayPotaLot · Yesterday 06:55

You not being entirely unreasonable, she sounds tiresome in this regard. Assume she's also a bit of a laugh some of the time, or kind to you or something? I hope a rant helps you leave this in the past where it belongs. Obviously, if you want to be friends with someone, even if they're a relative, laughing at them is not a reasonable thing to do. But sometimes people who spend their whole life moaning can wear you down a bit and make you think unreasonable things about them.

For what it's worth almost none of the people who call themselves empaths are actually that empathic. Just read MN for a few months! Most people seem to think they're empathetic if they feel emotional about something that happens to someone else, but that is almost always projection not empathy. Empathy is the ability to read and understand and absorb how other people feel, not the ability to think how you would feel in their position, and it's quite rare.

WhyamIinahandcartandwherearewegoing · Yesterday 07:00

Every self proclaimed “empath” I’ve come across has been a self obsessed pain in the tits.

ShakaWhenTheWallsFell · Yesterday 08:57

Every "empath" I've ever met has a diagnosed personality disorder, or bloody well needs one

CIaudiaWankleman · Yesterday 09:00

Yes you are, because your post portrays you as having the same judgemental attitude that you perceived and dislike in Susan. Exhausting.

Exactly this. Your attitude towards Susan is mirrored perfectly in Susan's attitude towards others isnt it? judgy and unkind. I suspect she is triggering you so much because you recognise parts of yourself in Susan. Its a common phenomenon that we are often irritated the most by people who reflects the parts of ourselves we dislike.

Ncforthis2267 · Yesterday 09:18

Pretty much anyone I've ever met who self describes as an empath is a bit of a thick twat with borderline narcissism.

It's a way to make other people's problems or emotions all about them. 'oh, the poor starving children. Seeing them makes ME feel so saaaaadd'

BauhausOfEliott · Yesterday 09:22

I laugh when anyone describes themselves as an empath.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · Yesterday 09:24

Anyone who describes themselves as an empath would irritate me.

What has she been reading on Reddit??
I guarantee it’s Reddit giving her these high falutin ideas.

Itsseweasy · Yesterday 09:25

A genuine empath will never label themselves this to others. Truly there is no need, they don’t want to “impress” anyone. In fact, it can be a very tough way of being unless it’s managed well.
Anyone who tells others they are one (and has the character traits you’ve described) is far more likely to be a narcissist!

BrickBiscuit · Yesterday 09:26

I love your expression 'someone who ... has been such a victim of their own life'!

MatchaTea1 · Yesterday 09:27

Stop giving Susan so much headspace OP, you sound fixated on her..

CypressMoon · Yesterday 09:28

WhyamIinahandcartandwherearewegoing · Yesterday 07:00

Every self proclaimed “empath” I’ve come across has been a self obsessed pain in the tits.

This. A client tried to tell me I was an empath the other day and I felt very insulted. I thought: God, am I really that self-absorbed and insincere? But he was telling me he was an empath too, so presume he meant it as a compliment.

Tinkalinkalink · Yesterday 09:30

Absolutely exhausting to read. Just go low contact and come off Facebook you will be happier for sure

Odot · Yesterday 09:30

ShakaWhenTheWallsFell · Yesterday 08:57

Every "empath" I've ever met has a diagnosed personality disorder, or bloody well needs one

I was coming to say the same thing 🤣

Back away slowly.

pictoosh · Yesterday 09:34

WhyamIinahandcartandwherearewegoing · Yesterday 07:00

Every self proclaimed “empath” I’ve come across has been a self obsessed pain in the tits.

Spot on.

The buzzword of the moment that oblivious blowhards are using to promote themselves.

thepariscrimefiles · Yesterday 09:41

Susan sounds like a complete pain in the arse and a hypocrite to boot. What I don't understand is why you meet up with her as she is obviously annoying and you don't enjoy her company.

If you stopped meeting up with her, would other members of your family put pressure on you to keep Susan in your life?

JLou08 · Yesterday 10:06

If you've been on MN for a while you knew that laughing at someone calling themselves an empath would have people on your side.
I think it was a bit cruel to laugh. Why did you laugh in her face at that but let it slide when she spoke down to service staff or was judgemental of others?

JLou08 · Yesterday 10:11

CypressMoon · Yesterday 09:28

This. A client tried to tell me I was an empath the other day and I felt very insulted. I thought: God, am I really that self-absorbed and insincere? But he was telling me he was an empath too, so presume he meant it as a compliment.

Edited

If I said someone was an empath I wouldn't be thinking they were self-absorbed and insincere. I'd think they'd been through something in their life that made them hypervigilant to the moods of others.

ChaToilLeam · Yesterday 10:18

If she's such a pain (and she does sound tiresome) then just don't see her if you can avoid it. The whole self-proclaimed "empath" thing is ridiculous anyway. I'd find it hard to keep a straight face. It's up there with "I'm a people person". 😬

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