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Has vaping caused more problems than it has solved?

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Bex071509 · 22/07/2026 20:42

Really random thought, but I would be interested in seeing the statistics in how helpful vaping has been.

i get that when it was first introduced it seemed like a fantastic idea & would help people stop smoking cigarettes- however, being a Mum to teens I really believe it has caused a whole new problem & one which is harder to control than smoking.

so many young people vape. I was recently on a night out & every young person around me, in the venue was vaping. I doubt as many young people would have started smoking cigarettes due to how expensive they are, the health implications are more widely known, & You can’t be as sneaky to smoke inside a venue - so could they be bothered to have to leave a venue to stand outside in the cold?

i also think it’s harder for schools to police due to the lack of smell (yes I know there is a smell, but it’s hardly as awful as a cigarette). So it seems more is going on in school toilets.

it has also opened up the ‘black market’ of disposable vapes being sold on the internet - this has also caused problems with some laced with different substances. Also, until recently, they were not sold behind tills, so I’m sure it caused an increase in shop lifting from young people.

so my question - am I being unreasonable in thinking that vaping has caused more problems than it has solved?

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Instructions · 23/07/2026 19:59

I don't think it has. For people like me who were long term smokers they have been an amazingly effective harm reduction tool. And I think people forget how widespread smoking used to be. Many of the young people who vape now would have smoked.

I do think they need to be better controlled but overall I think they are a benefit to have.

PencilsInSpace · 23/07/2026 21:01

Kaleidystopia · 23/07/2026 11:03

The long term health effects from vaping are only just coming to light really, and won't be fully apparent for some time. It's naive to think there won't be any though, which is why I can't believe they were allowed to infiltrate the market unregulated in the way they were.

What we know so far about health effects:

post.parliament.uk/health-effects-of-vape-device-components/?utm_source=POST+alerts&utm_campaign=b2e3cff355-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2026_06_30_09_00&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_bf17dda729-b2e3cff355-449394598&mc_cid=b2e3cff355&mc_eid=256d62b7d0

This is atrocious!

Research also shows that while vapes are less harmful than tobacco products, they can have negative effects on health.

The link here goes to a literature review which claims nicotine vaping is responsible for EVALI, lipoid pneumonia and bronchiolitis obliterans (popcorn lung). These claims are false.

In 2024, the number of people who vape in Great Britain exceeded the number of people who smoke for the first time.

Is this a bad thing? The BMJ article uses ONS data, available here:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthandlifeexpectancies/bulletins/adultsmokinghabitsingreatbritain/2024

We can see from this that smoking rates continue to fall, quit rates have risen sharply and the proportion of vapers who are ex-smokers has increased. Could it be that people are using vapes as intended - to quit smoking?

Vaping is increasing among 11-to-17-year-olds and among those who have never smoked.

No it isn't. The link here goes to ASH's 2025 stats on youth vaping, which shows that in this age group, ever vaping has plateaued since 2023, current vaping has plateaued since 2022 and the proportion of never smokers who currently vape has fallen sharply since 2023. ASH have just released their latest stats which shows a continuation of these trends: 6% currently vape, 2% vape daily, 1% of never smokers currently vape.

https://ash.org.uk/resources/view/use-of-e-cigarettes-among-young-people-in-great-britain

Evidence suggests that actions by some regions to ban certain e-liquid flavours can reduce vaping. However, evidence also suggests that banning e-liquid flavours may have unintended consequences, including more people buying and using illicit and/or vaping unregulated products.

The authors fail to mention the other unintended consequence highlighted in the linked study - banning flavours led to an increase in smoking.

I don't have time to go through every link in detail. Not all of them are to scientific studies - the authors have linked to a guardian article and a general interest journal for the US veteran community among others.

Many of the links go to literature reviews of some quite old research. Some of the literature reviews reference other literature reviews and you have to dig quite deep to get to the actual science. At one point I ended up at that 2015 experiment where they fired a CE4 at 5 volts and discovered it chucked out a load of formaldehyde (no shit!). There were a couple more recent examples of the same error - pushing coils way past the point they would be tolerable to vape.

Data on how these compounds cause smoking-related diseases has led scientists to infer that, since higher-temperature vapes create more toxic aerosols, it is reasonable to assume that vapes with more powerful device settings are likely to be more harmful.

Like the articles they link to, the authors show a deep misunderstanding of the normal operating conditions of various vape setups.

Some of the linked research was irrelevant to the UK, e.g. the ethanol study from 2017 which looked at eliquids from the US, and the evaluation of cinnamaldehyde from Australia which noted that it was probably banned in the UK.

The biggest question I have is why this 'rapid response' ignores the vast body of research produced by public health england between 2015 and 2022.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nicotine-vaping-in-england-2022-evidence-update

Basically, if it was published before 2022, PHE will have considered it because their literature reviews were exhaustive, and their conclusion in 2022 remained as it was in 2015 - while not completely harmless, vaping poses only a small fraction of the risk of smoking.

On the upside, we were treated to a cute diagram of a gen 2 device. I can't remember when I last saw one of these but I'm pretty sure they never had microprocessors in the tank!

Has vaping caused more problems than it has solved?
PencilsInSpace · 23/07/2026 21:14

LagerLady · 23/07/2026 12:26

You don't need a substitute - read Alan Carr's book and then stop. I did it, anyone can.

I read the book, it worked for a while but I relapsed. So I signed up for the workshop, delivered by the actual man himself (this was years ago, before he died). It didn't work so I took them up on their guarantee which says you can attend again free of charge. When I got there it was a special session run for relapsers - some were back for the 5th or 6th time. Anyway, once again it didn't work and, while the workshop was free, it was costing me a lot in travel, so I cut my losses and didn't go back again.

I'm really pleased for anyone who has managed to quit using Allen Carr's method. It works for lots of people and I would always say it's worth a try for people who haven't yet.

But it doesn't work for everyone and I really dislike this insistence that it does from some of his advocates.

Ihatehottubs · 23/07/2026 21:14

LagerLady · 23/07/2026 12:26

You don't need a substitute - read Alan Carr's book and then stop. I did it, anyone can.

I’m slim. I’ve never been overweight, and I don’t find it difficult to remain so. Does that mean everyone else can do the same?
These threads honestly! When you see over weight people eating a donut do you sneer that they are “embarrassing and pathetic”?
Nicotine is an addiction like anything else. Quite why it’s acceptable to be so bloody rude or how, in some odd way, seeing other people vaping makes others feel quite so superior, I’ll never know.

PencilsInSpace · 23/07/2026 21:31

JasmineMac · 23/07/2026 15:13

Vaping was/is a game changer for getting people off tobacco. The government has failed spectacularly by not regulating and making proper quality control a requirement. There are one or two suppliers in the UK who regulate themselves, responsible vapers will use those suppliers.

It's quite incredible how misinformed the general public are on the benefits around vaping. There'll always be gullible idiots who soak up tabloid media click bait, and who'll believe what any old dunce puts out on social media. It's a shame though, because vaping is by far the most effective nicotine replacement.

Our shitty government is introducing the vape tax later this year - making no effort to regulate the industry, but happy to take a cut of the profits!

It's been very heavily regulated since the tobacco products directive in 2016. There's a huge list of data manufacturers have to provide to MHRA for every liquid, every flavour, every strength, every device and component.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/507/part/6/made

In fact, the requirements are so onerous that it has probably helped shift the market away from small producers in favour of big tobacco companies who were already set up for this kind of reporting.

PencilsInSpace · 23/07/2026 21:48

BillieWiper · 23/07/2026 15:17

I think it has in that the whole 'big tobacco' industry acknowledged a long time ago they were selling nicotine as that was what people were addicted to.

So now that vapes are cheap enough and provide a satisfying nicotine hit akin to smoking or in fact even more, they got an even wider demographic hooked on their product.

It can't be an accident that millions of children vape when they would have never considered smoking.

The worst thing about vaping is you can do it constantly. Even in your sleep. Chain smoking fags 24/7 would make someone feel sick. And they'd set fire to their beds. But people can just vape literally every two seconds.

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It can't be an accident that millions of children vape when they would have never considered smoking

Among 11-17 year olds in Great Britain, 6% (370K) currently vape. Among the 81% who have never smoked, 1% currently vape.

https://ash.org.uk/resources/view/use-of-e-cigarettes-among-young-people-in-great-britain

Kaleidystopia · 23/07/2026 22:23

PencilsInSpace · 23/07/2026 21:01

This is atrocious!

Research also shows that while vapes are less harmful than tobacco products, they can have negative effects on health.

The link here goes to a literature review which claims nicotine vaping is responsible for EVALI, lipoid pneumonia and bronchiolitis obliterans (popcorn lung). These claims are false.

In 2024, the number of people who vape in Great Britain exceeded the number of people who smoke for the first time.

Is this a bad thing? The BMJ article uses ONS data, available here:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthandlifeexpectancies/bulletins/adultsmokinghabitsingreatbritain/2024

We can see from this that smoking rates continue to fall, quit rates have risen sharply and the proportion of vapers who are ex-smokers has increased. Could it be that people are using vapes as intended - to quit smoking?

Vaping is increasing among 11-to-17-year-olds and among those who have never smoked.

No it isn't. The link here goes to ASH's 2025 stats on youth vaping, which shows that in this age group, ever vaping has plateaued since 2023, current vaping has plateaued since 2022 and the proportion of never smokers who currently vape has fallen sharply since 2023. ASH have just released their latest stats which shows a continuation of these trends: 6% currently vape, 2% vape daily, 1% of never smokers currently vape.

https://ash.org.uk/resources/view/use-of-e-cigarettes-among-young-people-in-great-britain

Evidence suggests that actions by some regions to ban certain e-liquid flavours can reduce vaping. However, evidence also suggests that banning e-liquid flavours may have unintended consequences, including more people buying and using illicit and/or vaping unregulated products.

The authors fail to mention the other unintended consequence highlighted in the linked study - banning flavours led to an increase in smoking.

I don't have time to go through every link in detail. Not all of them are to scientific studies - the authors have linked to a guardian article and a general interest journal for the US veteran community among others.

Many of the links go to literature reviews of some quite old research. Some of the literature reviews reference other literature reviews and you have to dig quite deep to get to the actual science. At one point I ended up at that 2015 experiment where they fired a CE4 at 5 volts and discovered it chucked out a load of formaldehyde (no shit!). There were a couple more recent examples of the same error - pushing coils way past the point they would be tolerable to vape.

Data on how these compounds cause smoking-related diseases has led scientists to infer that, since higher-temperature vapes create more toxic aerosols, it is reasonable to assume that vapes with more powerful device settings are likely to be more harmful.

Like the articles they link to, the authors show a deep misunderstanding of the normal operating conditions of various vape setups.

Some of the linked research was irrelevant to the UK, e.g. the ethanol study from 2017 which looked at eliquids from the US, and the evaluation of cinnamaldehyde from Australia which noted that it was probably banned in the UK.

The biggest question I have is why this 'rapid response' ignores the vast body of research produced by public health england between 2015 and 2022.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nicotine-vaping-in-england-2022-evidence-update

Basically, if it was published before 2022, PHE will have considered it because their literature reviews were exhaustive, and their conclusion in 2022 remained as it was in 2015 - while not completely harmless, vaping poses only a small fraction of the risk of smoking.

On the upside, we were treated to a cute diagram of a gen 2 device. I can't remember when I last saw one of these but I'm pretty sure they never had microprocessors in the tank!

Honestly sounds like you work for Big Vape 😂Your take on this is not even supported by the bits you've quoted. I haven't got the time or energy to go through it all, but for a start vaping HAS been associated with EVALI - literally the E stands for e-cigarette and the V for vaping...

And the 2022 report also supports what this report is saying - there are known harms caused by vaping and there needs to be a lot more research to properly understand them. That vaping is safer than smoking (as far as we currently know) does not mean vaping is safe. Pretending otherwise is disingenuous.

There just isn't the evidence to support your bullish confidence that vaping is safe, particularly not long term evidence. The wide numbers of vape designs, flavours and formulations also muddies the research, along with people switching from tobacco products, or still using them occasionally.

All in all it's very likely vaping will continue to be shown to cause harms, with some aspects (flavours, additives etc) worse than others, but none of them without risk above not vaping at all. The same as with smoking. The same as with alcohol use.

I don't understand what your drive is here. Self delusion or vested interest?

PencilsInSpace · 23/07/2026 23:00

Kaleidystopia · 23/07/2026 22:23

Honestly sounds like you work for Big Vape 😂Your take on this is not even supported by the bits you've quoted. I haven't got the time or energy to go through it all, but for a start vaping HAS been associated with EVALI - literally the E stands for e-cigarette and the V for vaping...

And the 2022 report also supports what this report is saying - there are known harms caused by vaping and there needs to be a lot more research to properly understand them. That vaping is safer than smoking (as far as we currently know) does not mean vaping is safe. Pretending otherwise is disingenuous.

There just isn't the evidence to support your bullish confidence that vaping is safe, particularly not long term evidence. The wide numbers of vape designs, flavours and formulations also muddies the research, along with people switching from tobacco products, or still using them occasionally.

All in all it's very likely vaping will continue to be shown to cause harms, with some aspects (flavours, additives etc) worse than others, but none of them without risk above not vaping at all. The same as with smoking. The same as with alcohol use.

I don't understand what your drive is here. Self delusion or vested interest?

From Public Health England 2022 (page 99):

Postscript on ‘E-cigarette, or vaping, product use-associated lung injury' (EVALI) outbreak

The ‘EVALI’ outbreak was discussed in detail in our 2020 and 2021 reports (3, 5). The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) concluded that: ‘tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)-containing e-cigarette, or vaping products, particularly from informal sources like friends, family, or in-person or online dealers, are linked to most EVALI cases and play a major role in the outbreak” and “Vitamin E acetate is strongly linked to the EVALI outbreak’, and this was endorsed in a subsequent published paper (53). While the advent of vaping as a novel and less harmful drug delivery device provided the conditions for EVALI, it is now clear that EVALI was not caused by nicotine vaping.

Unfortunately, as discussed in chapter 15 (harm perceptions and communications), studies have shown that perceptions of the absolute harm, relative harm of vaping compared to smoking, and perceived addictiveness of vaping all increased after EVALI. This included one study carried out in the UK (54). An analysis of why nicotine vaping is not implicated in EVALI and the implications of the mislabelling and miscommunications around EVALI has been published, although not peer reviewed (55).

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/633469fc8fa8f5066d28e1a2/Nicotine-vaping-in-England-2022-report.pdf

here is the analysis they talk about:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/367899018_The_outbreak_of_lung_injuries_often_known_as_EVALI_was_nothing_to_do_with_nicotine_vaping

killerqueen2026 · 23/07/2026 23:03

Kaleidystopia · 23/07/2026 22:23

Honestly sounds like you work for Big Vape 😂Your take on this is not even supported by the bits you've quoted. I haven't got the time or energy to go through it all, but for a start vaping HAS been associated with EVALI - literally the E stands for e-cigarette and the V for vaping...

And the 2022 report also supports what this report is saying - there are known harms caused by vaping and there needs to be a lot more research to properly understand them. That vaping is safer than smoking (as far as we currently know) does not mean vaping is safe. Pretending otherwise is disingenuous.

There just isn't the evidence to support your bullish confidence that vaping is safe, particularly not long term evidence. The wide numbers of vape designs, flavours and formulations also muddies the research, along with people switching from tobacco products, or still using them occasionally.

All in all it's very likely vaping will continue to be shown to cause harms, with some aspects (flavours, additives etc) worse than others, but none of them without risk above not vaping at all. The same as with smoking. The same as with alcohol use.

I don't understand what your drive is here. Self delusion or vested interest?

Because popcorn lung is from a chemical in cigarettes, a chemical that’s banned in e liquids here
EVALI was caused by vitamin E from what I remember and THC

there is a huge difference between
buying illegal unregulated vapes/THC/god knows what
mixing your own liquid/buying from a proper website

it’s like saying vodka is dangerous because people are dying from drinking illegal cheap stuff with I dunno, anti freeze in. But blaming the vodka

PencilsInSpace · 23/07/2026 23:04

Also, where have I said vaping is safe?

PencilsInSpace · 23/07/2026 23:17

killerqueen2026 · 23/07/2026 23:03

Because popcorn lung is from a chemical in cigarettes, a chemical that’s banned in e liquids here
EVALI was caused by vitamin E from what I remember and THC

there is a huge difference between
buying illegal unregulated vapes/THC/god knows what
mixing your own liquid/buying from a proper website

it’s like saying vodka is dangerous because people are dying from drinking illegal cheap stuff with I dunno, anti freeze in. But blaming the vodka

Yes, 'Popcorn Lung', that mysteriously has never been diagnosed in smokers even though their diacetyl exposure is about 750 times that of vapers (before diacetyl was banned).

https://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/12/new-study-finds-that-average-diacetyl.html

And Lipoid pneumonia - caused by inhaling oil, which vapes do not contain:

https://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2013/05/german-cancer-research-center-lies.html

What's your drive for spreading 13 year old disinformation @Kaleidystopia ?

SerenaCat93 · 24/07/2026 04:17

sheetsandpillows · 22/07/2026 20:49

Agree with previous poster that it is cringe. It’s like watching grown adults walk around sucking a dummy 🙈

Bingo! I was counting how many posts it would take for someone to come out with "adult dummies" 🙄

Never heard the term IRL but it's a MN trope now.

Glittertwins · 24/07/2026 06:18

It’s a term I’ve used for ages but never actually seen on MN before.

Monty36 · 24/07/2026 09:44

Whether it is unsafe or whether it is not, I dislike it.
People puffing out fumes in a ‘look at me’ way. Not realising they look a bit sad.
I long for them to go out of fashion.

FedUpCelery · 24/07/2026 10:03

Yes, one of my kids started vaping as a teen. We asked them to stop, we stopped all extra pocket money, we confiscated vapes. He argued back using the NHS website. Obviously we continued to disagree but the NHS info at the time was completely unhelpful in not backing up our stance. I wish I had an archive of it because of course now the page is completely different.

killerqueen2026 · 24/07/2026 10:03

Monty36 · 24/07/2026 09:44

Whether it is unsafe or whether it is not, I dislike it.
People puffing out fumes in a ‘look at me’ way. Not realising they look a bit sad.
I long for them to go out of fashion.

I don’t really care how it looks. I looked more ridiculous killing myself smoking

NoisyViewer · 24/07/2026 10:08

I’m with you, I wonder in years to come it will come out they’re worse than smoking. I’ve seen several new articles where users have something called popcorn lung. People who I know who have switched from smoking to vaping vape a whole lot more than they smoked. I suppose the ease to which they can just pick it up and use immediately is a factor. We have phones glued to our hands but I’ve also noticed people who vape tend to hold their phones and vapes all the time

Monty36 · 24/07/2026 10:09

killerqueen2026 · 24/07/2026 10:03

I don’t really care how it looks. I looked more ridiculous killing myself smoking

You should care how you vape around other people. And try to keep the fumes to yourself.
And do what I did. Just pack it in. That way you are less antisocial and the air is more as it should be. Which these days is not saying much.

PencilsInSpace · 24/07/2026 10:16

SerenaCat93 · 24/07/2026 04:17

Bingo! I was counting how many posts it would take for someone to come out with "adult dummies" 🙄

Never heard the term IRL but it's a MN trope now.

I'm holding out for 'Hotel fire alarm at 3am'

Has vaping caused more problems than it has solved?
sweetpeaorchestra · 24/07/2026 10:22

Yes I gave up smoking 7 years ago, nonchalantly picked up a vape at one point 6 months in as thought they were relatively harmless and I’d use occasionally when out for a drink.
I became even more addicted to vaping. I’ve only just quit.
If they hadn’t have been marketed as a good option I’d have just stuck as being a complete non smoker - so annoyed at myself.

They are a nightmare to dispose of and so deceptively addictive and attractive to young people. I hope there is similar regulation on these as smoking asap.

RosieHosie · 24/07/2026 10:23

Monty36 · 24/07/2026 09:44

Whether it is unsafe or whether it is not, I dislike it.
People puffing out fumes in a ‘look at me’ way. Not realising they look a bit sad.
I long for them to go out of fashion.

I saw someone this morning riding along the pavement on an e-scooter (illegal) puffing on a large bright pink vape, holding it like a cigarette. Looked a right nob.

witheringrowan · 24/07/2026 10:29

I am amazed at the number of people who think it's ok to vape on public transport in London. Entitled twats.

PencilsInSpace · 24/07/2026 10:29

NoisyViewer · 24/07/2026 10:08

I’m with you, I wonder in years to come it will come out they’re worse than smoking. I’ve seen several new articles where users have something called popcorn lung. People who I know who have switched from smoking to vaping vape a whole lot more than they smoked. I suppose the ease to which they can just pick it up and use immediately is a factor. We have phones glued to our hands but I’ve also noticed people who vape tend to hold their phones and vapes all the time

I’ve seen several new articles where users have something called popcorn lung.

No you haven't 🙄

https://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/12/new-study-finds-that-average-diacetyl.html

It would be really great if people could just stop and think for a minute before regurgitating misinformation about vaping. It has consequences:

https://ash.org.uk/resources/view/addressing-common-myths-about-vaping-putting-the-evidence-in-context

Has vaping caused more problems than it has solved?
NoisyViewer · 24/07/2026 10:39

PencilsInSpace · 24/07/2026 10:29

I’ve seen several new articles where users have something called popcorn lung.

No you haven't 🙄

https://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/12/new-study-finds-that-average-diacetyl.html

It would be really great if people could just stop and think for a minute before regurgitating misinformation about vaping. It has consequences:

https://ash.org.uk/resources/view/addressing-common-myths-about-vaping-putting-the-evidence-in-context

I’m not lying. Not the article I seen but here’s just one example https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50494871
oh and another https://metro.co.uk/2025/12/01/shocking-photo-shows-teens-blackened-shrivelled-lung-vaping-three-years-25027823/
anorher one https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/11/21/popcorn-lung-may-have-brought-teen-close-death-after-vaping-months-doctors-say/

I don’t appreciate being called a liar

killerqueen2026 · 24/07/2026 10:42

Monty36 · 24/07/2026 10:09

You should care how you vape around other people. And try to keep the fumes to yourself.
And do what I did. Just pack it in. That way you are less antisocial and the air is more as it should be. Which these days is not saying much.

I didn’t say I vaped around other people
people make more drama over vape exhale than they do actual cigarette smoke or exhaust fumes

I don’t want to pack it in, it keeps me from smoking