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Are these people really British?

237 replies

glitterpaperchain · 21/07/2026 14:07

In 1688, foreign strangers were arriving on British shores daily. The locals complained of despoilment of their environment. Londoners complained that French was everywhere, and not a word of English could be heard spoken! The French immigrants were denigrated either for being too poor, thus a drain on rate-paying parishioners, or too prosperous, at the expense of local merchants and business owners.

(Taken from Thou Savage Woman by Blessin Adams, great book!)

That sounds exactly like what I hear the media saying about immigrants now! So when the far right are making sure that Britain is for the British, shall they make sure we all trace our lineage back to the 1600s, and make sure no descendents of those awful French immigrants count as British?

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glitterpaperchain · 21/07/2026 16:23

floppybit · 21/07/2026 16:21

I really don’t think you can compare some French people arriving back then with the quantity and origins of current arrivals. It’s obviously not completely changed your street, your town in the way it has mine in the last couple of years. Im not anti immigration, but what has happened to my area recently is unprecedented and on an industrial scale.

The origins of current arrivals?

Because French people are (more often) white?

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millymollymoomoo · 21/07/2026 16:26

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Naunet · 21/07/2026 16:26

glitterpaperchain · 21/07/2026 16:23

The origins of current arrivals?

Because French people are (more often) white?

🙄 yeah of course op, because they were white. Thats the only possible answer, isn't?

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 21/07/2026 16:27

I presume that those who want to keep Britain for the British will all be prepared to prove that they have 100% undiluted Celtic ancestry? I reckon I'm about 3/4 Celtic but about 1/4 Anglo-Saxon, so does that mean I'll be deported to Denmark or Germany or somewhere?

I guess I'll just have to hope that my Anglo-Saxon homeland will accept my Celtic bits? Otherwise I'm fucked!

glitterpaperchain · 21/07/2026 16:27

Naunet · 21/07/2026 16:26

🙄 yeah of course op, because they were white. Thats the only possible answer, isn't?

I asked, I'm waiting for an answer

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glitterpaperchain · 21/07/2026 16:28

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I think you've become confused, where did I say that

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Naunet · 21/07/2026 16:30

glitterpaperchain · 21/07/2026 16:27

I asked, I'm waiting for an answer

I can't answer you for the previous poster, but if you really think that skin colour is the only possible factor, then frankly you're being a bit thick.

glitterpaperchain · 21/07/2026 16:31

Naunet · 21/07/2026 16:30

I can't answer you for the previous poster, but if you really think that skin colour is the only possible factor, then frankly you're being a bit thick.

Ok....I don't expect you to answer for someone else, you've inserted yourself into the conversation. I'll wait for the person i was actually speaking to

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Limecar · 21/07/2026 16:32

Naunet · 21/07/2026 16:30

I can't answer you for the previous poster, but if you really think that skin colour is the only possible factor, then frankly you're being a bit thick.

She s desperate to start calling people racist. Bigot got deleted so she's now goading for racist.

Ethelspagetti · 21/07/2026 16:33

aliasfrog · 21/07/2026 16:06

Hello, illegal immigrants can't claim benefits. I know because I am a benefit assessor. You can only claim if you have indefinite leave to remain as an immigrant which takes minimum 5 years of living and working here plus thousands of ££ spent on the visas and nhs surcharge.

Yes that’s right. They get the right to stay then we help them apply for benefits with UC sometimes PIP. I know this because I’m a translator and help them apply.

Naunet · 21/07/2026 16:34

glitterpaperchain · 21/07/2026 16:31

Ok....I don't expect you to answer for someone else, you've inserted yourself into the conversation. I'll wait for the person i was actually speaking to

Inserted myself into a conversation on a public forum? How awful, much worse than someone inserting their barbaric 'culture' into our country.
Try and be more welcoming and inclusive OP.

glitterpaperchain · 21/07/2026 16:38

Limecar · 21/07/2026 16:32

She s desperate to start calling people racist. Bigot got deleted so she's now goading for racist.

PP is welcome to answer me. Maybe she's copying ChatGPT's response right now

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Verv · 21/07/2026 16:38

Im all for a bit of Protestant immigration.
Would make a nice change and everyone loves a bit of retro.

SerendipityJane · 21/07/2026 16:39

JimBobsWife · 21/07/2026 16:17

Populations across sub-Saharan Africa hold significantly higher and deeper genetic diversity. Despite migration figures being high, people born in central, southern and eastern England form a fairly uniform genetic cluster.

Non answer noted for the thread.

glitterpaperchain · 21/07/2026 16:39

Ethelspagetti · 21/07/2026 16:33

Yes that’s right. They get the right to stay then we help them apply for benefits with UC sometimes PIP. I know this because I’m a translator and help them apply.

Key part of this being 'they get the right to stay'

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MyDarlingRose · 21/07/2026 16:40

British = person with British citizenship. Their heritage can be African, French, Asian, American, Chinese…. Their citizenship is what makes them British.

ThaneOfGlamis · 21/07/2026 16:40

I think that people have been unhappy about similar issues since there were humans. We out competed the neanderthals to start. Then the older group of Europeans were replaced by those with lactose tolerance from around five thousand years ago. I would say fear of mass migration is hard coded.

JimBobsWife · 21/07/2026 16:40

SerendipityJane · 21/07/2026 16:39

Non answer noted for the thread.

It’s not a non answer. You just don’t like it because you didn’t like my first answer.

SerendipityJane · 21/07/2026 16:40

Ethelspagetti · 21/07/2026 16:33

Yes that’s right. They get the right to stay then we help them apply for benefits with UC sometimes PIP. I know this because I’m a translator and help them apply.

I think we've all had enough of experts.

IcedPurple · 21/07/2026 16:41

Octavia64 · 21/07/2026 15:17

Before the EU Britain was part of and led the commonwealth and most people who lived in commonwealth countries were British. So prior to the Second World War there were British people all over the world - India, Hong Kong, Ghana, parts of the Carribean etc. these British people had (largely) freedom of movement within the empire.

nobody held referendums on the British Empire but then nobody asked the people who lived in the countries that were occupied/colonised either.

you’d have to go back almost so the sixteenth century to have a time where British people were only in the British isles.

Before the EU Britain was part of and led the commonwealth and most people who lived in commonwealth countries were British.

That's not true at all.

People in pre-independence India, Ghana etc. were subjects of the Crown but they were not British citizens, because they were not British.

Naunet · 21/07/2026 16:43

ThaneOfGlamis · 21/07/2026 16:40

I think that people have been unhappy about similar issues since there were humans. We out competed the neanderthals to start. Then the older group of Europeans were replaced by those with lactose tolerance from around five thousand years ago. I would say fear of mass migration is hard coded.

I would argue its more about protecting our resources, something that almost every animal does. Its perfectly natural, a simple survival instinct.

SerendipityJane · 21/07/2026 16:44

IcedPurple · 21/07/2026 16:41

Before the EU Britain was part of and led the commonwealth and most people who lived in commonwealth countries were British.

That's not true at all.

People in pre-independence India, Ghana etc. were subjects of the Crown but they were not British citizens, because they were not British.

Actually they were British Subjects. And that was the whole problem.

Damn, more facts.

Here's Enoch Powell explaining it.

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Notsodisney · 21/07/2026 16:45

glitterpaperchain · 21/07/2026 15:32

I think it's really sad to have such an opinion of immigrants

Sorry but ehy do you think people move countries? Most people don't do it just "cause I fancy it". It is for personal gain. Usually financial. There is also some adventure benefit thrown in, but no one I know emigrates just because of the adventure unless it benefits them in other way. Finance, language, work experience. I should add safety or better quality of life too.

glitterpaperchain · 21/07/2026 16:47

Notsodisney · 21/07/2026 16:45

Sorry but ehy do you think people move countries? Most people don't do it just "cause I fancy it". It is for personal gain. Usually financial. There is also some adventure benefit thrown in, but no one I know emigrates just because of the adventure unless it benefits them in other way. Finance, language, work experience. I should add safety or better quality of life too.

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You said most, not all

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Notsodisney · 21/07/2026 16:48

glitterpaperchain · 21/07/2026 16:47

You said most, not all

So what do you think are reasons to emigrate somewhere which are not personal gain.
Fo you think people move to make less money or have worse life?