AIBU to wonder why Burnham attracts so much negativity?

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Why is there so much negativity towards politicians and Burnham in particular? Burnham hasn’t really done anything yet but so many on here appear to hate him.

I agree that politics has been a shambles recently but what’s the alternative?

Personally I feel a degree of optimism that we may have a PM that actually turns things around for us.

I’ve no opinion on AB at the moment.

But on the steps of 10 Downing Street he said yesterday that there has been 6 PM in ten years , the 7th since 2016.

Yes Andy ,but you’re also to blame for that too..

Trouble is, they could have brought in Andy Burnham a year before the GE. They’ve done it too early in my opinion.

Andy B now has three years to get Labour voters back and steer them away from other parties- such as Reform or Greens

If Andy B doesn’t deliver by the next GE, there’s a good chance those voters will be so fed up they may go to other parties.

If Labour don’t deliver , they can’t blame it on Starmer because he’s now gone. Andy is Labours ace card and they’ve played him too early.

He has a ten year plan. That only works if he wins the next GE.

'Sunak was unopposed in the leadership election'

He was the chancellor! He had current, relevant experience. This imposter Burnham manufacturered the whole thing with his backstabbing pals. He's gone from metro mayor to the top job even wheeling out Angela who resigned in disgrace only a few months ago.

I've no idea how the media are not obliterating this upstart.

Who is he <in nikki Grahame's voice > springs to mind.

I tend to agree that the whole thing was a stitch up from the start. I know this is how it goes , but it feels wrong. On the other hand, Sir Keir Starmer looked the happiest I’ve seen him in ages yesterday. Probably glad he isn’t working with the back stabbers any more!

Yes he knew they'd all turned on him and was pleased to get away.

How long will grinning Andy last until the next one decides to oust him for their own gain. I bet Rayner has a plan..

The country wouldn’t accept Angela Raynor I’m afraid.
I do think that wouid be a step too far really.

Rayner rather , sorry

How could they not realise the importance of good PR though? It just seems so BASIC.

Not sure her ego is aware.

There is an old 70s song called ‘ the backstabbers’
Sums up most political issues well.

I was shocked when Louise Haigh told the BBC that they had been working with Burnham for over a year to execute this. There are three of them that had plenty of time on their hands to plot and perfect as they had had to step down from ministerial roles. This includes Haigh when her criminal conviction was exposed, Rayner for breaking the ministerial code and Josh Simons (the Makerfield MP) for the think tank he was involved in smearing journalists.

It's a bit daft when posters say that's the way it works in this country. Yes we know it is legal and constitutional but it is still plotting to seize power by stealth.

I know! Mumsnet is awash with people moaning that their elderly parents don't need the winter fuel payment and use it to pay for cruises or they donate it to charity. Now, MN may not be representative, but I think the stats do show that there are a lot of pensioners who are not struggling. What the government needed to do was to get that message out there and really push the availability of Pension Credit for the older people who do need it.

The cabinet he has appointed looks like more of the same. Labour Friends of Israel. Drilling in the North Sea whilst the planet combusts. He's less soulless than Starmer but I'm not holding my breath to see any real changes any time soon.

It's because the entire media are right wing and therefore everything you read or watch will be slagging him off. And people believe it.

People were sick of the fact that he was doing a terrible job. Added to that he was weak, spineless and lacking integrity. Nothing to do with the media. Starmer was the master of his own demise. Everything he got wrong has been listed time and time again.

How have they played him too early? if Andy Burnham is the messiah Labour is claiming him to be surely the sooner he was made PM the better to rescue the sorry mess left by Starmer. Or are you suggesting he'll be no better and when voters realise this well before the next GE, they've run out of options to fool the public?

Burnham has already caused confusion with his pledge of a VAT cut to electricity bills. I do think that we have to look very carefully at the wording of his government as to me the following is a cop out, without admitting a mistake over funding. It is a lot of words to not give an accurate account:

Downing Street has insisted Burnham’s plan to cut VAT from electricity bills for six months from October is "fully funded".

The government previously said the £1.8bn cost would be paid for by scrapping Keir Starmer's planned digital ID scheme - but Labour MP Darren Jones, newly sacked from the cabinet, says that programme was "unfunded".

When it's put to the PM's spokesperson that the cut is being funded through unidentified savings, he says: "Departments were going to have to fund the Digital ID programme through their existing budget reprioritisation.

"Departments will now direct these savings towards this. (BBC)

People want miracles, and they want them NOW. Boris Johnson was constantly promising miracles, and people loved him for it. And when he shit the bed with Partygate (and much more, to my mind), people pleaded “don’t get rid of him, he’s so funny!” As Burnham is not promising miracles, people are thinking “what is there to be excited about?”.

Make politics and politicians boring again.

I'm sorry but I disagree with this. I voted Labour at the last election, have a great local Labour MP in a marginal seat but I would really struggle to vote for the party again because of the way that this was done. I think the saying is "it's just not cricket". It makes it difficult to trust those who did it with the important job of running the country. This may backfire for Labour in the long run.

I think it will depend entirely on whether people feel he has improved things for them. If they see things getting better, then that coupled with his people skills would ensure he stays popular.

Just watching the cabinet meeting with golden ticket imposter Burnham holding court. There's only Yvette cooper who doesn't seem to be that taken by the whole thing, giving him a bit of a steely side eye but I may be wrong.

God now Wes giving a speech as defence secretary it's all just toe curling.

I just watched that, I was a bit surprised.

You had that apparently with Starmer, that was meant to be his selling point. His MPs ousted him still.

Exactly this. He's snide.

I don't want miracles I just find the way he has gone from mayor to PM preposterous. It is surely a snap shot of his underhand ways. All his backstabbing posse in the media snaps .