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AIBU to think Boris Johnson should crawl under a rock forever?

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Userxyd · 19/07/2026 07:16

Not to mention the colossal financial and environmental disaster of HS2 which he personally signed off on, or the PPE cockups, he has now said the risk to MPs safety “remains low”.
this is after 3/650 MPs have been murdered at work in the last ten years - roughly 0.05%.
A comparable percentage of say lawyers or departmental civil servants as related professions would equate to 2250 civil servant murders and 1500 lawyer murders in the last ten years.
The actual number of murders at work for these roles in the last ten years is ZERO.
MPs, particularly female ones, are increasingly at risk and lying to the public about it is only going to make it worse. Although I appreciate for someone like Boris Johnson it’s a hard habit to break.

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sirensinger · 19/07/2026 15:06

EasternStandard · 19/07/2026 07:51

Labour have bigger issues atm

I would tend to agree with that. 🙄

Clavinova · 19/07/2026 20:33

Thecows · 19/07/2026 08:18

Er, the night before Prince Philip's funeral for one.....

To be fair, Boris Johnson did not attend that party and probably didn't know it was happening. Sue Gray's report confirmed Johnson was 'not in residence' in Number 10 at the time.

Clavinova · 19/07/2026 20:39

sirensinger · 19/07/2026 07:39

What "Boozy Parties" ?

But if you want to go down that road...

Think about "Beergate", or "Currygate", a political controversy concerning allegations that an event in Durham on 30 April 2021, attended by Labour Party leader Keir Starmer and Deputy Leader Angela Rayner, could have been in breach of COVID-19 lockdown restrictions. Labour and Starmer said, at the time and since, that the event complied with the rules for work gatherings, with a pause for food.

Beergate/Currygate 30 April 2021

For context, Prince Philip’s funeral took place on 17 April 2021. Probably one of the reasons Keir Starmer lied about how many people were with him having curry and beer. Starmer told LBC 'about six people' - however, there were seventeen people in total.

Pedallleur · 19/07/2026 20:41

UniquePinkSwan · 19/07/2026 07:26

HS2 is needed. Our train network is laughably in the dark ages. It’s embarrassing. I’d also take Boris over any Labour leader right now. Completely inept

100 miles of track isn't a rail network. Remember HS2 is currently only Birmingham to Old Oak Common. Labour had nothing to do with it

Pedallleur · 19/07/2026 20:45

OonaStubbs · 19/07/2026 11:27

HS2 isn't good enough, we should have Japanese style bullet trains between every major city.

Unfortunately no one wants to pay. The Japanese have had the bullet train since 1964 and are still expanding the network. But they are prepared to pay since so many people use it

Clavinova · 19/07/2026 20:53

Isaidthisatthetime · 19/07/2026 12:16

They literally blocked companies who had supplied the nhs for decades in order to give money to their mates. Trusts were not allowed to place orders for PPE from their usual suppliers.
It was almost as if the government did not know that systems and expertise for providing PPE, infectious disease control, contact tracing were already established and just needed additional finance and support.
No need at all to suddenly have to give millions to their cronies to reinvent the wheel.

One of the usual NHS suppliers is here - a company based in France;

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/20/revealed-nhs-denied-ppe-at-height-of-covid-19-as-supplies-sent-to-china-coronavirus

Revealed: NHS denied PPE at height of Covid-19 as supplier prioritised China

Disclosures call into question UK’s reliance on ‘just in time’ logistics during pandemic

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/20/revealed-nhs-denied-ppe-at-height-of-covid-19-as-supplies-sent-to-china-coronavirus

Isaidthisatthetime · 19/07/2026 21:21

I know nothing about the French suppliers, but a close friend of mine was producing PPE and theatre supplies for the NHS since the early 90s. Try as she might, the trusts she had supplied for decades were unable to place any orders as per instruction from the department of health and the cabinet office. She had contacted everyone she could think of and all had told her that alternative arrangements were being made. She switched her supply to alternative countries, but she was furious as her two sons, both doctors in the UK, were telling her how desperate the situation was. She was invited to take part in a panorama programme but she was afraid of reprisals and withdrew. I wrote to the DOH and the cabinet office on her behalf and got no reply. The day after I spoke to her a plane load of unusable PPE arrived from Türkiye.

BIossomtoes · 19/07/2026 21:34

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 19/07/2026 12:20

Attlee?

Or Major?

luckylavender · 19/07/2026 21:39

sirensinger · 19/07/2026 07:39

What "Boozy Parties" ?

But if you want to go down that road...

Think about "Beergate", or "Currygate", a political controversy concerning allegations that an event in Durham on 30 April 2021, attended by Labour Party leader Keir Starmer and Deputy Leader Angela Rayner, could have been in breach of COVID-19 lockdown restrictions. Labour and Starmer said, at the time and since, that the event complied with the rules for work gatherings, with a pause for food.

’Currygate’ narrative never takes into consideration that it was later in the pandemic and so the rules were different if you remember correctly. It was always investigated more than once. And as for Partygate, Johnson made the rules he couldn’t follow. Dangerous arrogant entitled buffon.

NellieJean · 19/07/2026 21:49

Only if the rock is being dropped from a great height.

Speakeasier · 19/07/2026 21:52

Didn’t he play down Covid until he ended up in intensive care. The man’s a lying, deceitful PoS.

Speakeasier · 19/07/2026 21:58

Dragonscaledaisy · 19/07/2026 15:05

Why does any criticism of the Labour party hit a raw nerve?

Because there are endless threads about the LP. This is about Johnson.

Clavinova · 19/07/2026 22:49

Isaidthisatthetime · 19/07/2026 21:21

I know nothing about the French suppliers, but a close friend of mine was producing PPE and theatre supplies for the NHS since the early 90s. Try as she might, the trusts she had supplied for decades were unable to place any orders as per instruction from the department of health and the cabinet office. She had contacted everyone she could think of and all had told her that alternative arrangements were being made. She switched her supply to alternative countries, but she was furious as her two sons, both doctors in the UK, were telling her how desperate the situation was. She was invited to take part in a panorama programme but she was afraid of reprisals and withdrew. I wrote to the DOH and the cabinet office on her behalf and got no reply. The day after I spoke to her a plane load of unusable PPE arrived from Türkiye.

Actually, I've just found an article on this topic - however it seems that the unusable PPE from Turkey was originally an order placed by the Royal Free Hospital FT:

May 2020
Government bans trusts from major PPE deals to stop them competing for scarce equipment.

Trusts who are partway through “significant” procurements have been asked to “flag” these deals to their national colleagues, who will “help you to conclude the deal, reimburse you, and manage the products through the national stocks.”

^HSJ understands some significant PPE orders procured by trusts have been shared with central stocks in recent weeks, including a large gown order from Kings’ College Hospital foundation trust. Sources also said an ill-fated order of gowns from Turkey was initially placed by Royal Free Hospital FT.^

Trusts can continue working with new, small and local suppliers, but should signpost to national colleagues when they are able to “scale up” manufacturing... Donated goods do not need to be flagged.

https://www.hsj.co.uk/finance-and-efficiency/government-bans-trusts-from-major-ppe-deals-to-stop-them-competing-for-scarce-equipment/7027554.article

her two sons, both doctors in the UK, were telling her how desperate the situation was

I don't think we were unique in that regard;

A group of German doctors have posed naked in an attempt to draw attention to shortages of protective clothing and equipment.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/27/german-doctors-pose-naked-in-protest-at-ppe-shortages

HandPulledNoodles · 19/07/2026 22:51

Johnson is loathesome.

Shouldn't have been anywhere near public office.

Clavinova · 19/07/2026 22:55

luckylavender · 19/07/2026 21:39

’Currygate’ narrative never takes into consideration that it was later in the pandemic and so the rules were different if you remember correctly. It was always investigated more than once. And as for Partygate, Johnson made the rules he couldn’t follow. Dangerous arrogant entitled buffon.

’Currygate’ narrative never takes into consideration that it was later in the pandemic and so the rules were different if you remember correctly.

Which rules? 'Currygate' was barely two weeks after Prince Philip’s funeral.

CheerfulBunny · 19/07/2026 23:23

It's quite telling that no one who has worked with him previously in his journalistic career has a single good word to say about him. People will vote for a pig wearing a blue rosette if they think it will save them paying 10p more tax a year.

Clavinova · 19/07/2026 23:27

CheerfulBunny · 19/07/2026 23:23

It's quite telling that no one who has worked with him previously in his journalistic career has a single good word to say about him. People will vote for a pig wearing a blue rosette if they think it will save them paying 10p more tax a year.

no one who has worked with him previously in his journalistic career has a single good word to say about him.

I very much doubt that.

Persephonia1966 · Yesterday 13:33

Pedallleur · 19/07/2026 20:45

Unfortunately no one wants to pay. The Japanese have had the bullet train since 1964 and are still expanding the network. But they are prepared to pay since so many people use it

Also, for the size of the country I don't think bullet trains should be a priority. It wouldn't save that much time because cities are too close to each other. By the time you've accelerated to full speed, it's time to start slowing down somyounsave a bit of time for a lot of cost/disruption (the higher the speed of the train, the straighter the Trainline has to be). Very big countries like China, Russia and America would benefit the most as their cities are so far apart. The only one to have built massive amounts of HSR of those is China and their railways are extremely unprofitable (which they are fine with because it's not meant to make money)
Japan has been stalled for years with it's Maglev which is the next thing after HSR. It's not just us who struggle with big infrastructure.

Persephonia1966 · Yesterday 13:34

(we need more train infrastructure. I just don't think HSR for the sake of HSR should be the priority)

AImportantMermaid · Yesterday 13:35

sirensinger · 19/07/2026 15:02

"People in glass houses" etc

Huh?

PistachioTiramisu · Yesterday 13:39

Love him - at least he had charisma and wanted the best for our country! He was treated very badly and should not have resigned.

NorthernJim · Yesterday 13:39

What do you think could actually be done to improve safety for MPs? Do you seriously think giving every current and ex MP private security detail for life is practical or possible? Do you think ann widdecombe would have been ok having a security guard stood outside her front door 24/7/365 in her sleepy Devon village?

Sure, you just keep on blaming everything on bojo. Makes a change for it not to be Thatchers fault.

AImportantMermaid · Yesterday 13:40

PistachioTiramisu · Yesterday 13:39

Love him - at least he had charisma and wanted the best for our country! He was treated very badly and should not have resigned.

He’s not going to shag you, Nadine.

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