One to one benefit assessments

[Amazonjaunt]

It would save money in the long run if all benefits claims had to be assessed one to one, surely?

Stop picking on poor and disabled people.

Taxing the super rich would raise far more money and would not result in persecuting the most vulnerable in society.

Claimants who fill in paper applications are twice as likely to be granted support as those seen in person - so the cost of employing people to carry out the assessments face to face would be out weighed by the savings.

Are you an idiot? All claimants have to do a paper application regardless! You obviously haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about.

Taxing the super rich would undoubtedly raise money, but I’m talking about cutting the benefits bill. The two things are not mutually exclusive.

Everyone has to fill in the forms.

You don't get a job interview without filling in forms and applying. This is no different.

It is clear you don't really know anything about the process of applying for PIP etc, so your views and suggestions are coming from a place of ignorance. YABVVU

If you want to cut the welfare bill look at state pensions, that’s over 50 % of the welfare bill and it’s a bloody mess. Stop picking on the disabled when you do not know what you’re even talking about, it’s laughable.

I’m saying benefits claims should be assessed face to face, but I’m not saying that they wouldn’t have to fill in any forms.

You won't need to cut the benefits bill if you had more money coming in from tax revenue.

You've swallowed propaganda that disabled people are scrounging malingerers. The DWP's own stats show pip fraud to be vanishingly rare.

Those who get it like that will have very strong and incontrovertible evidence.

Finding ways to reduce the state pensions bill and carrying out face to face benefits assessments are both potential ways for the government to save money. My question was about benefits assessments.

So you want to pick on the elderly instead? What are pensioners supposed to live on?

Which benefits? Universal credit, the state pension, child benefit? All of these?

Because you need premises and appointment times to interview people. A paper assessment and in person assessment are not the same amount of time and expense.

People would still have to fill in forms whilst also being assessed face to face.

How will it save money?
Do you think seeing people face to face means that they wont get awarded anything?
What would be the point in seeing someone face to face who has a lifelong disability that is never going to change? Are assessors expecting to see limbs that have grown back, or Down Syndrome that went away?

Except that the very people who get PIP ate often housebound and unable to get out the house.

What are you expecting them to do? To still go out at the detriment of theyr health?

You can’t at the same time say PIP is for the most disabled people AND demand all assessments are done face to face. Well unless you’re also happy for them to come to people’s houses. They used to do that afterall.

Maybe if they had more competent assessors they could save money on the number of appeals they have.

I had to explain to the assessor what DD's condition actually was. It was also clear from the questions she asked me that she had not gone through the application form and accompanying medical evidence.in any detail whatsoever.

So we should just let the benefits bill grow and grow and pay for it out of taxes?

Some benefits are close to universal.

Child benefit for example.

some people who claim pip claim on the terminal route (ie they are expected to be dead within a year). You could send someone out to their house to see them but it isn’t obvious on looking at someone whether this is the case.

im addition, some people who claim pip are completely immobile and do not leave their house because they are quadriplegic or have a broken spine or neck.

you’d need to send people out to their house to do it and that would be expensive.

I think the responses are mainly from Russian bots trying to trash the country - so we get to be so in debt no one gets any benefits and people are on the streets

@Amazonjaunt kindly you are talking out of your arse. My friend has multiple sclerosis. A life long incurable disease.
She had to "attend" sn assessment for her health condition.
She couldn't attend due to her illness so they did a home visit.
The assessor didn't even have medical experience) training. Did not know what multiple sclerosis was.
My friend has a folder full of information ready... just in case.
The stress and worry of the assessment made her relapse and she was in hospital for two months.
So it didn't save any money at all,!!!

Claimants who fill in paper applications are twice as likely to be granted support as those seen in person
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. It doesn’t make any sense at all.

My son would almost certainly have been granted LCWRA in the first place without needing to request mandatory reconsideration if he had been seen face-to-face. Instead we got a complete uninformed wally of an assessor on the phone who made up his own narrative and ignored everything we said. I think he’d have found it even harder to write nonsense about my son if he’d had him and his teddy bear sitting in front of him.

In your view? As a welfare benefits specialist I can tell you this is not viable. How much knowledge do you have of how the assessments for PIP/ADP/AFIP/ESA work?

Too expensive. What’s the point in someone with severe brain damage who can’t move having to go for a 1:1 assessment? Seems a waste of everyone’s time, don’t you think.

I too was asked what one of my diagnoses was. I don't understand how if someone has no idea what it is, how they can assess someone properly?