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To wonder what could Starmer do, to turn things around?

584 replies

B0xes · 16/01/2025 08:35

He was elected on fewer votes than Corbyn with very lukewarm support, the Tories lost that election, Labour did not sweep in on a tide of public approval, they just benefitted from peoples anger at the Conservatives. Since then, Starmers approval rating has tanked. He seems to have gone from one ill judged move to the next and seems totally tone deaf in speeches. Can he turn it around? What would he need to do?

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1dayatatime · 16/01/2025 22:34

@noblegiraffe

"Given that people are saying that Farage is going to be the next Prime Minister, perhaps there should be a bit more scrutiny of what he has planned."

Scrutiny of what politicians are promising!!!

It will never catch on...

caringcarer · 16/01/2025 22:37

spuddy4 · 16/01/2025 08:50

Universal credit for a single person over the age of 25 is £393.45 a month so I don't think that people are raking it in.

Single people never rake it in. It's the people with a few DC, especially if one of them or a couple of them have a disability and the parents stay home caring for them so get a caring premium, because then they escape the benefit cap. Some families claim thousands over the benefits cap. Single people no, they are penalised for not having DC.

caringcarer · 16/01/2025 22:40

RR needs to reverse the NIC on employers. Not just the little bit extra but the drop in threshold to I think either £5k or £5.5k from April. Lots of employers who employed a part time worker keeping them.below the NIC threshold will now either make them redundant or reduce their hours.

caringcarer · 16/01/2025 22:44

BIossomtoes · 16/01/2025 11:47

It’s impossible. All the infrastructure has gone. It seems pretty insane to me that we now import so many things that we used to make but what do I know?

The previous government let Tata steel fail. It meant they lost the highly skilled workforce. We still need steel so now we pay a premium price to China and pollute more, importing it.

1dayatatime · 16/01/2025 22:44

@MarvellousMable

"I don’t understand why they are giving uk tax payers’ money away to other countries, then taxing uk people more. "

The UK foreign aid budget is £13 billion but 30% of that is spent on asylum seekers entering the UK.

The idea on the rest is that by helping improve poorer countries then this will reduce the incentive for the population to seek to move to western countries and also reduce the probability of wars.

Well that's the idea anyway.

Papyrophile · 16/01/2025 22:44

The drop in NI threshold to sweep more PT workers into its grasp is the most retrograde element. And the admin costs of such measures fall too hard on mom and pop businesses which are probably only marginally viable.

caringcarer · 16/01/2025 22:47

TheAirfryerQueen · 16/01/2025 13:30

I was a brexiteer. I was wrong. We should rejoin the EU.

Introduce national rent control legislation. The current Bill doesn't go far enough.

Go back to basics with our railways to offer a simple pricing structure (like Switzerland) and make it cheap and easy for everyone to use.

Have you seen what happened when they introduced rent control in Scotland?

Tittat50 · 16/01/2025 22:49

WomensRightsRenegade · 16/01/2025 22:12

And what about social cohesion? Whatever those in their ivory towers may think, importing hundreds of thousands of young men with prehistoric attitudes towards women and zero desire to integrate isn’t actually a great idea. Even if they pick fruit. We need to get back to expecting people to see coming here as a privilege, not a right.

With time and further reading I am believing this is really important to alot of people.

1dayatatime · 16/01/2025 22:49

@caringcarer

"The previous government let Tata steel fail. It meant they lost the highly skilled workforce. We still need steel so now we pay a premium price to China and pollute more, importing it."

What makes it even madder is that the reasons for TATA steel collapse is higher energy prices caused by the subsidies for renewables and a lack of tariffs on cheaper Chinese steel.

So in short the UK has managed to increase global emissions, close essential industries that feed other industries and lose highly skilled jobs.

TheDork · 16/01/2025 22:56

Hi Kier 👋

caringcarer · 16/01/2025 22:59

1dayatatime · 16/01/2025 22:49

@caringcarer

"The previous government let Tata steel fail. It meant they lost the highly skilled workforce. We still need steel so now we pay a premium price to China and pollute more, importing it."

What makes it even madder is that the reasons for TATA steel collapse is higher energy prices caused by the subsidies for renewables and a lack of tariffs on cheaper Chinese steel.

So in short the UK has managed to increase global emissions, close essential industries that feed other industries and lose highly skilled jobs.

Exactly this. I'm glad others can see this. A great pity neither past or current government can see it.

Anniedash · 16/01/2025 23:01

Scrap the net 0 nonsense and take away the billions he has borrowed to give to Red Miliband to piss up the wall.

Sack Rachel from accounts. She has no clue. Cut taxes, lower borrowing, cut public sector massively, it is hugely bloated and massively and unproductive. We need less Mickey Mouse public sector organizations.

Cut welfare for the lazy feckless sitting at home claiming benefits because they are too sad to work. And cut low skilled immigration being used as way for making for the lazy feckless not wanting to work.

Remove Bridget Philipson - the woman so unemployable that only her own mum would give her a job. And she is going to dumb down education to her own level of intellect and destroy what’s left of it.

Get Wes Streeting to do some actual work rather than bullshitting all the time trying to posture for leaders job. The guy is all fur coat and no knickers.

Stop with the ‘smash the gangs’ nonsense. And read a book to learn how supply and demand works. You can never kill supply. You have to kill demand for illegal immigration. Australia style.

Keep Angela ‘oi scum’ Rayner hidden out of public view.

Don’t put David Lamey anywhere near foreign affairs, especially anything serious like interaction with incoming US administration.

MarvellousMable · 16/01/2025 23:09

1dayatatime · 16/01/2025 22:44

@MarvellousMable

"I don’t understand why they are giving uk tax payers’ money away to other countries, then taxing uk people more. "

The UK foreign aid budget is £13 billion but 30% of that is spent on asylum seekers entering the UK.

The idea on the rest is that by helping improve poorer countries then this will reduce the incentive for the population to seek to move to western countries and also reduce the probability of wars.

Well that's the idea anyway.

I don’t think it’s working though!!

theres is an easier solution that Australia implemented that has worked rather well

MarvellousMable · 16/01/2025 23:10

Anniedash · 16/01/2025 23:01

Scrap the net 0 nonsense and take away the billions he has borrowed to give to Red Miliband to piss up the wall.

Sack Rachel from accounts. She has no clue. Cut taxes, lower borrowing, cut public sector massively, it is hugely bloated and massively and unproductive. We need less Mickey Mouse public sector organizations.

Cut welfare for the lazy feckless sitting at home claiming benefits because they are too sad to work. And cut low skilled immigration being used as way for making for the lazy feckless not wanting to work.

Remove Bridget Philipson - the woman so unemployable that only her own mum would give her a job. And she is going to dumb down education to her own level of intellect and destroy what’s left of it.

Get Wes Streeting to do some actual work rather than bullshitting all the time trying to posture for leaders job. The guy is all fur coat and no knickers.

Stop with the ‘smash the gangs’ nonsense. And read a book to learn how supply and demand works. You can never kill supply. You have to kill demand for illegal immigration. Australia style.

Keep Angela ‘oi scum’ Rayner hidden out of public view.

Don’t put David Lamey anywhere near foreign affairs, especially anything serious like interaction with incoming US administration.

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I would vote for you!

BIossomtoes · 16/01/2025 23:12

MarvellousMable · 16/01/2025 23:10

I would vote for you!

Jesus. There’s more than one of you. That’s scary.

MarvellousMable · 16/01/2025 23:14

Just to add, I am pro-immigration - so many of my friends are immigrants. They are net contributors to the UK, all work their backsides off. Three have just left since July though. In total they were paying tax and NICs of £600k per annum.

noblegiraffe · 16/01/2025 23:16

I'm always astonished to see Bridget Phillipson's name come up so often on here when people are slating Labour. It is not often that people even know who the Ed Sec is, let alone enough to single them out. Gavin Williamson was a notable exception. She doesn't seem to have massively pissed off the teaching profession yet (bar the NEU over the pay recommendation), so why does she have cut-through outside of that? Is it just the VAT on schools thing?

Julen7 · 16/01/2025 23:17

MarvellousMable · 16/01/2025 23:10

I would vote for you!

And me

MarvellousMable · 16/01/2025 23:17

BIossomtoes · 16/01/2025 23:12

Jesus. There’s more than one of you. That’s scary.

Please forgive me for having an opinion that does not match yours.

caringcarer · 16/01/2025 23:30

Anniedash · 16/01/2025 23:01

Scrap the net 0 nonsense and take away the billions he has borrowed to give to Red Miliband to piss up the wall.

Sack Rachel from accounts. She has no clue. Cut taxes, lower borrowing, cut public sector massively, it is hugely bloated and massively and unproductive. We need less Mickey Mouse public sector organizations.

Cut welfare for the lazy feckless sitting at home claiming benefits because they are too sad to work. And cut low skilled immigration being used as way for making for the lazy feckless not wanting to work.

Remove Bridget Philipson - the woman so unemployable that only her own mum would give her a job. And she is going to dumb down education to her own level of intellect and destroy what’s left of it.

Get Wes Streeting to do some actual work rather than bullshitting all the time trying to posture for leaders job. The guy is all fur coat and no knickers.

Stop with the ‘smash the gangs’ nonsense. And read a book to learn how supply and demand works. You can never kill supply. You have to kill demand for illegal immigration. Australia style.

Keep Angela ‘oi scum’ Rayner hidden out of public view.

Don’t put David Lamey anywhere near foreign affairs, especially anything serious like interaction with incoming US administration.

Edited

Amusing, but so so true.

1dayatatime · 16/01/2025 23:39

@Anniedash

A bit blunt, honest and might need a bit of bullshitty spin on it, but economically it would work.

That said the problem you would have is that it's too honest and nobody would vote for it.

Needspaceforlego · 16/01/2025 23:40

caringcarer · 16/01/2025 22:44

The previous government let Tata steel fail. It meant they lost the highly skilled workforce. We still need steel so now we pay a premium price to China and pollute more, importing it.

Totally agree.
It's ridiculous they allowed it to be in Chinese ownership, who of course ran it down. And made cheaper steel in China.

Same with the oil refinery at Grangemouth.
If the UK was to ever end up at war with China we'd be helpless.

1dayatatime · 16/01/2025 23:42

@BIossomtoes

"Jesus. There’s more than one of you. That’s scary."

You might not like it and I don't doubt it would be highly unpopular with voters but economically it would work and halt the managed decline.

HangryLikeTheHulk · 17/01/2025 00:00

meditrina · 16/01/2025 21:55

So essentially looking to be in the EEC, not the EU.

If the referendum had been on Maastricht, then we might still be in EEC

With Reform resurgant, though, I don't see this happening. We just have to make the best of the hand we've got.

Reform won only 5 seats so they’re ignorable.

Lovemycat21 · 17/01/2025 01:03

Resign