To wonder what could Starmer do, to turn things around?

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He was elected on fewer votes than Corbyn with very lukewarm support, the Tories lost that election, Labour did not sweep in on a tide of public approval, they just benefitted from peoples anger at the Conservatives. Since then, Starmers approval rating has tanked. He seems to have gone from one ill judged move to the next and seems totally tone deaf in speeches. Can he turn it around? What would he need to do?

Angela and David should be placed very firmly on the back bench.

i think there’s a consensus that Starmer will be gone by the end of the year - the trouble is which incompetent fool is going to step into the breech?

I’m not sure these are the type of immigrants people have an issue with. They probably fall into the non- dom group so many left wingers hate but are certain would never leave.

Idk it’s more direct than Labour’s ‘grow the economy’ and ‘smash the gangs’ which they’ve mixed up and failing on

Please please Labour, look into all the "non jobs" often at director level, in the NHS and local government and get rid of at least half of them.
They would not be missed and actually things would function a hell of a lot better without them.

There are so many people trying to make a living out of looking busy but do sweet FA.
Meanwhile the rest of us at the coal face are run ragged and picking up the flack for our bosses and the last governments ineptitude.

It needs sorting.

The irony is it was under the last labour government that the many different tiers of management with their fancy sounding names were brought into the NHS.

https://www.nhsconfed.org/long-reads/nhs-overmanaged

I don’t think he’s made a series of wrong moves. He’s not perfect but I think he’s doing ok, and made quite a few really good moves.

The best thing he could do for the UK is rejoin the single market.

He’s unpopular with some because he has so much of the MSM against him (foreign owned), and a huge propaganda campaign on SM led from russia against him.

I think Labour need to understand the backlash more than using the media excuse

Not everyone likes him, clearly, it’s really not down to this

I’m not saying he’s perfect but I think the campaign against him is indicative of something very dangerous and which needs alot more spotlight on it.

Yes people should be very much free to criticise him, but there’s a huge issue with foreign backed propaganda trying to destabilise the UK. It’s no joke!

The irony is it was under the last labour government that the many different tiers of management with their fancy sounding names were brought into the NHS.

From the BBC in 2011, just after the Tories came in with the wrecking ball.

It’s this attitude, which undoubtedly is the way that Starmer et al also think, is exactly why the public are both exasperated and irritated by the government. Because, rather than accept they’ve made some absolutely stupid mistakes (freebies for all, ministers embroiled in fraud and corruption investigations / charges, misleading businesses about their growth intentions…the list goes on) all of the blame is being placed at the doors of the media.

And in the typically arrogant way that only the left can, then make out they that are the ones that have been wronged in the process. Even if they are factually, economically, socially and environmentally wrong they’ll claim the moral high ground, and then feel aggrieved when no one trusts them. Take the pre election buttering up of business. It’s barely 6 months ago since some on here were crowing about how Labour were the party of business, how their breakfast meetings and briefings were so successful and that this government would be forging a growth path at high speed. 6 months after the election and there’s not a single sector of the business community that thinks that. And that trust won’t be regained quickly (assuming it was ever really there…), and probably not in this parliament.

So for me, the best thing he could do is be honest. Stop obfuscating, do less and do it well rather than rushing and making a hash of things. Look at what rushing into settlements with the unions achieved. Very little. Look at what rushing into a Chagos islands deal has achieved. Nothing, if not worse than nothing. Look at what rushing to repeal the Legacy Act has done. Kicked off a whole load of controversy around Gerry Adams potentially getting compensation, and subsequently the fact that he was defended by the now attorney general. All of these outcome were entirely foreseeable, with a bit of thought. They just didn’t think they needed to, because they ‘knew’ they were right.

@GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing

"He’s unpopular with some because he has so much of the MSM against him (foreign owned), and a huge propaganda campaign on SM led from russia against him."

So you don't think it's got anything to do the economy flat lining, turmoil in the bond markets, higher interest rates and NI taxes reducing employability?

I think if people exercised a little critical thinking they would realise it takes more than 6 months to complete turn things around.

And people who call that excuse making really take the biscuit with disingenuousness.

Agreed. It’s staggering that some Brits seem to think this is a good thing.

Yep. Then Lansley "reformed" it.

Many people are fucked off to put it bluntly look at some pensioners, farmers, businesses. Public sector probably feels immune still, but there’s plenty in the private sector who have a fair reason to feel as they do.

He can ignore that of course and talk about MSM instead. I don’t think it will help him to do that.

Give everyone the gift of patience

Reform may be "resurgant" on MN, but it really is not in reality.

https://www.threads.net/@jeremyvineon5/post/DEzdH-Lo4zV?xmt=AQGzY-leRbj2bziIXtb02qCp9XYuipRNJbkSjjVBujnjA

@GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing

"I think if people exercised a little critical thinking they would realise it takes more than 6 months to complete turn things around."

I totally understand that it will take more than 6 months to turn things around.

But on one hand Labour say they need to grow the economy but on the other they increase taxes and increase debt.

So the economy flat lines and interest rates go up which further depresses economic growth.

It's a bit like me saying I'm going to lose weight by eating lots of carrot cake- it's just not going to work!

What does your link show? The top line says one point behind Labour

That seems to back the pp point, that’s going up

Many people are fucked off to put it bluntly look at some pensioners, farmers, businesses. Public sector probably feels immune still, but there’s plenty in the private sector who have a fair reason to feel as they do

Whenever any government announces a new policy, some part of the electorate will be pissed off about it and oppose it. It is rare for any policy to be universally popular.

You need to read the comments, silly! The comments about Farage v Starmer as PM.

There you go it’s not MSM as claimed, people really are annoyed and he’s lost support

It’s both. Two things can be true at the same time.

You’re going by comments? Silly seems apt for that tbf

A vote counts, no one counts comments (except those searching comfort on the one point I guess)