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What was the toe sucking scandal?

106 replies

justthingse · 30/12/2023 19:14

I am in my mid 20's so was not alive during the 90's when The Duchess of York was apparently seen as a disgrace by the public and media. Can someone who remembers that period tell me about the toe sucking scandal and whether the royal family banishing her for many years was seen as an appropriate response or if the tabloids over sensationalised her antics at the time?

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derxa · 31/12/2023 12:28

Yes was a scandal which she has been paying for ever since.

ThinWomansBrain · 31/12/2023 12:41

Do you think if the same happened with a younger royal nowadays that there would be the same reaction? I just can’t see that it would.

I suspect it depends on the gender of the person having the affair, and whether they are royal, or a partner of royalty.
Think Charles & Camilla whilst he was married to Diana, Andrew's non-sweaty involvement with young girls which didn't get any press attention at the time, and more recently rumours that William has had an affair - press 'mysteriously' didn't pursue that one.

Maireas · 31/12/2023 12:44

Oh come on. A conspiracy? The "press mysteriously not pursuing that one"?! Maybe there was nothing to pursue.

Cmonluv · 31/12/2023 12:46

There was always this not so cloaked opinion in the media that fergie was a fat lump of a lazy stupid woman who wished she was Diana and had no fashion sense.

I was born in 1983 for context so a child or teen at the times she was in the news. I love now that she has this whole.life and persona in America, that her daughter's are socialites with more normality than their royal cousins.

I dunno, maybe it's because I'm a freckly, chunky woman and wasa freckly chunky teenager but I always hated the media coverage of her.

scalt · 31/12/2023 12:47

It's referenced in Spiceworld the Movie. When the evil newspaper editor is searching for someone to dish dirt on the Spice Girls, the pap who is chosen "got the Fergie toe-sucking pictures".

ANightmareBeforeChristmas · 31/12/2023 12:51

It was pretty shocking at the time - obviously this was before the days of social media and being bombarded 24/7 by clickbait - everyone was actually talking about it.

Not quite on a par with Tampongate but not far off.

LadyBird1973 · 31/12/2023 14:33

I think maybe Fergie's trouble was just that she was the first one to be caught out, doing what many of them do (shagging outside of their marriages, monetising their royal association)

IhateHPSDeaneCnt · 31/12/2023 15:00

She was shagging around. Most believable story I've heard is that she's a 'Beard' which would explain the fake, slavish devotion. Also, offering access to royal family for cash. Luckily, both kids have jobs that allow them to holiday 360 days a year.

IhateHPSDeaneCnt · 31/12/2023 15:29

Google and other search engines allow you to remove personal info under data protection malarkey hence, people able to cleanse their history because they know others can't be arsed to go beyond Wiki. There was another US bloke who has been removed from internet. Fergie was going selling access to Royals, going on 'dates' with very suspect euro trash and sheiks; fake or not.
People have also forgotten about Sophie, Countess of Wessex also promising access for cash plus very indiscreet info re senior Royals feelings about the labour Government.

NoCloudsAllowed · 31/12/2023 15:32

You don't think it would be a big deal if one of the current royal women were photographed having their toes sucked by another man?

NoCloudsAllowed · 31/12/2023 15:33

LadyBird1973 · 31/12/2023 14:33

I think maybe Fergie's trouble was just that she was the first one to be caught out, doing what many of them do (shagging outside of their marriages, monetising their royal association)

There's shagging and there's lying around topless and having your toes sucked.

LadyBird1973 · 31/12/2023 16:18

But she wasn't doing it in the local leisure centre swimming pool. She had a reasonable expectation of privacy from photographers.

See also tampongate. When people are photographed with long lenses or have their phones tapped, the problem isn't with them, but with the skanky people invading their privacy!

IhateHPSDeaneCnt · 01/01/2024 02:02

Re Tampongate - this is our current 'Queen'. The person that was never to have been afforded a royal title upon marriage yet there she is; crown rammed on head.

Obviously, he couldn't wait to get the Ermine on (and have on hand Mont Blanc fountain pen servant) but would have a lot more respect if he'd abdicated in favour of William. I feel the bile rise in my throat when the mistress dons deceased Queen's jewellery let alone stuff given to first wife.

KarenNotAKaren · 01/01/2024 02:10

I mean if I was sucking another man’s toe I expect I probably wouldn’t be welcome for Sunday lunch at my ILs.

I listened to a podcast with Fergie who said she actually chose to spend those years in the US. She said it saved her life. She’s now back in the UK living off the public purse so can’t say I feel too sorry for her.

KarenNotAKaren · 01/01/2024 02:11

IhateHPSDeaneCnt · 01/01/2024 02:02

Re Tampongate - this is our current 'Queen'. The person that was never to have been afforded a royal title upon marriage yet there she is; crown rammed on head.

Obviously, he couldn't wait to get the Ermine on (and have on hand Mont Blanc fountain pen servant) but would have a lot more respect if he'd abdicated in favour of William. I feel the bile rise in my throat when the mistress dons deceased Queen's jewellery let alone stuff given to first wife.

You mean the tampongate where someone illegally tapped into a private conversation that two seperated individuals were perfectly entitled to have and the fact it became public is a gross invasion of privacy?

Why does Charles saying ‘tampax’ mean Camilla shouldn’t ‘have a crown rammed on her head’ exactly?

coxesorangepippin · 01/01/2024 02:14

I think Fergie has had a great run

Let's face it, what else would she have done?

KarenNotAKaren · 01/01/2024 02:17

Also no one ever said Camilla wouldn’t be titled. She’s been married to the current King for nearly 20 years. Like many consorts before her, she is using the title she is entitled to use by default.

Anyone who is upset by a random posho’s (who they don’t even know!) affair 30 YEARS after it happened, needs to have a word with themself. Let’s not forget Saint Diana the Wronged had her fair share of married men when married to Charles (one of whom? To this day, has caused speculation about the paternity of one of her sons) then had the nerve to say “There were 3 of us in this marriage”. Yeah and the rest love.

mathanxiety · 01/01/2024 02:18

RedDoughnut · 30/12/2023 19:51

Is she back with Andrew now?
They were both at Sandringham

They've lived together for years.

It's pretty disgraceful that Andrew is still welcome at public family events imo.

KarenNotAKaren · 01/01/2024 02:22

mathanxiety · 01/01/2024 02:18

They've lived together for years.

It's pretty disgraceful that Andrew is still welcome at public family events imo.

TBF the only ‘public event’ Andrew has attended in the last few years other than the King’s Coronation, were his parents funerals. I think even the angriest of anti-royalists couldn’t deny him a seat at his mother’s funeral.

IhateHPSDeaneCnt · 01/01/2024 02:40

To be honest, I loathe them all and Diana, to paraphrase / misquote the late lamented Victor Lewis Smith, could have been buried in a Y shaped coffin.

IhateHPSDeaneCnt · 01/01/2024 02:54

P.s nobody seems to have picked up to reference of Fergie as a 'Beard'. This normally infers that the couple have an arrangement with full knowledge of other's sexual preferences, usually involved same sex but underage trafficked girls probably sufficed.

QueenBitch666 · 01/01/2024 03:31

Is toe sucking actually a thing? 🤢

GrimDamnFanjo · 01/01/2024 03:42

RoseMarigoldViolet · 31/12/2023 12:06

Do you think that Sarah and Andrew are together as a couple? Not platonic.

I do, or whatever the arrangement they had, they continued, despite the divorce.
How many couples get divorced after alleged adultery yet carry on living together?
It wouldn't surprise me if they remarried tbh.

MissBattleaxe · 01/01/2024 04:08

He didn't just say Tampax, he said he wished he could be Camilla's tampon. I take your point about having his privacy invaded but it was pretty shocking at the time as he and Diana were still married.

I do find it galling that Camilla is queen now. The late queen said she would be known as Queen Consort but Charles ignored that.

HirplesWithHaggis · 01/01/2024 04:34

QueenBitch666 · 01/01/2024 03:31

Is toe sucking actually a thing? 🤢

Try it some time, especially on the big toe. It's surprisingly erotic to receive. (Do wash thoroughly first, of course!)

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