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For being annoyed I was asked to stand on a bus because of dog allergies?

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anywayhereswonderwall · 24/04/2023 21:41

I went to visit a friend in London today and I took my dog. It's worth noting she is a mini poodle, and hypoallergenic, and well behaved. You can barely even tell she's there. I got on the bus as part of my journey. It was the middle of the day so there were a few empty seats (but not loads).

I got on and sat down, and the woman a few rows behind me said 'can you move , I have a dog allergy'. I apologised and moved a few rows forwards, the furthest forwards I could go and still get a seat.

She then shouted forwards 'not far enough, you're going have to stand at the front'.

I was confused, but did it. I spent the rest of the 35 minute journey standing right at the front of the bus while the woman was 3/4 of the way along, sitting.

I did what she said for the journey, but when I got off I felt annoyed and I'm not sure if I'm justified.

OP posts:
Verbena17 · 25/04/2023 14:35

What if you were disabled and had a support dog and you were unable to stand for any length of time?
Stupid woman - I would have ignored her. She was plain rude.

goatsheadsoup · 25/04/2023 14:35

There are plenty of cafes that are not dog friendly you should have gone to one of those.

Ricardosj · 25/04/2023 14:36

Tribute219 · 25/04/2023 14:32

At no point have I suggested my children are poorly behaved in public or would go anywhere near a dog. In fact they definitely know better.
I wonder why you are so angry that you need to project anything onto my children 😂

@Tribute219
I find it hard believe that someone with such venom towards animals would have emotional intelligence to raise perfectly well behaved children.
Why does it bother you so much that dogs have now access to most public places?
It's economically beneficial for business to allow dogs onto their premises, whereas we are seeing a trend towards childfree places. (Think of the number of places such as hotels and resort that advertise themselves as childfree - not to mention airlines which are now considering an age restriction on their passengers)

ThankmelaterOkay · 25/04/2023 14:36

Cute dogs > humans.

Fourteenhouses · 25/04/2023 14:36

goatsheadsoup · 25/04/2023 14:35

There are plenty of cafes that are not dog friendly you should have gone to one of those.

it was a small village that was the only cafe , sometimes it’s not that easy to just find an alternative and as I’ve said about 346 times - there was no sign saying it was dog friendly

Ricardosj · 25/04/2023 14:37

Fourteenhouses · 25/04/2023 14:36

it was a small village that was the only cafe , sometimes it’s not that easy to just find an alternative and as I’ve said about 346 times - there was no sign saying it was dog friendly

@Fourteenhouses
Why didn't you check beforehand?
Bad decision on your part!

RampantIvy · 25/04/2023 14:38

Dog lovers are choosing to just read your first post @Fourteenhouses. They clearly haven't read your updates.

Fourteenhouses · 25/04/2023 14:39

Ricardosj · 25/04/2023 14:37

@Fourteenhouses
Why didn't you check beforehand?
Bad decision on your part!

Again, as I’ve said multiple times - I just didn’t realise that it’s now the default that everywhere is dog friendly . I’m not on things like Facebook etc so the ‘local knowledge’ escaped me and it hasn’t always been like this it is a recent thing for dogs to be allowed in so many places I think

Fourteenhouses · 25/04/2023 14:40

RampantIvy · 25/04/2023 14:38

Dog lovers are choosing to just read your first post @Fourteenhouses. They clearly haven't read your updates.

Yes that’s really clear I feel bad as I didn’t want to hijack the thread but I keep getting asked the same questions or feel I need to justify my reasons

nomoredriving · 25/04/2023 14:42

@Fourteenhouses your own words were

t seems that everywhere is dog friendly now and it’s not always appropriate

But you didn't think to ask, even though it distressed your son and upset the other customers.

So you looked for a sign, but didn't just ask as you went through the door? Really?

Goldenbear · 25/04/2023 14:42

Ricardosj · 25/04/2023 14:19

@CottagePieLaLaLa is on point
@Goldenbear Animals have rights too, so do their owners. I for one always opt for places which are childfree as I quite frankly cannot stand the sound of children. If I was asked to leave with my dogs because of some entitled mother, I would make sure to post this all over social media so that other dog owners could boycott the cafe.

I agree that animals have rights and I think that it is really important to be kind to animals and respect them but they do not have comparable rights to human beings. Of course the Dog owner does but they are responsible for their dogs, they can’t get up and leave on their own accord! Why would you be so hateful to someone trying to make a living from a cafe. In my example, it was a group of mothers with newborn babies and office workers on lunch not one ‘entitled’ mother, the owner had to make a judgement call.

Fourteenhouses · 25/04/2023 14:43

nomoredriving · 25/04/2023 14:42

@Fourteenhouses your own words were

t seems that everywhere is dog friendly now and it’s not always appropriate

But you didn't think to ask, even though it distressed your son and upset the other customers.

So you looked for a sign, but didn't just ask as you went through the door? Really?

You can read all my posts if you want to I can’t be bothered to keep typing out responses to the same questions 🤦‍♀️

GP75 · 25/04/2023 14:44

Ricardosj · 24/04/2023 21:51

Wow - entitled much?
It's not on the dog owners to manage your son's allergies.
They have as much right to be there as your son.

No animals should be in eating establishments unless absolutely necessary. You don't see people taking their bloody gerbils out. The entitlement of bloody dog owners 🤷 you should keep your animals on your own property.

MissLucyLiu · 25/04/2023 14:44

This is the reason I don’t take my dog on a bus any more. In fact it has been year since I took the bus. People are not very understanding. There are also a lot of people who seem to be very scared of dogs as well from different countries.

Luckily where I live in N1 dogs are allowed at most pubs and restaurants/ cafes. Pretty much every house has a dog.

I’ll get a cab if I do need to get to places. People looking at my dog with a problem I got a problem with them hump

Tribute219 · 25/04/2023 14:44

Ricardosj · 25/04/2023 14:36

@Tribute219
I find it hard believe that someone with such venom towards animals would have emotional intelligence to raise perfectly well behaved children.
Why does it bother you so much that dogs have now access to most public places?
It's economically beneficial for business to allow dogs onto their premises, whereas we are seeing a trend towards childfree places. (Think of the number of places such as hotels and resort that advertise themselves as childfree - not to mention airlines which are now considering an age restriction on their passengers)

Well believe it or not, my emotional intelligence is not impacted by not wanting to be covered in animal slobber.
It bothers me because it takes away my choice. Some people like dogs. Some people don't.
I don't and therefore do not wish to encounter them in every coffee shop, pub, restaurant etc.

Bexblue · 25/04/2023 14:47

To the lady that asked a person to leave from a cafe .Why should the person with a dog leave.we all have to exist together it smacks of my sons got additional needs so he's entitled .if it was a guide dog how do you determine who's more important

nomoredriving · 25/04/2023 14:48

@Fourteenhouses I've read them and the issue was yours, not the other customers or the cafe owners.

Tribute219 · 25/04/2023 14:48

Bexblue · 25/04/2023 14:47

To the lady that asked a person to leave from a cafe .Why should the person with a dog leave.we all have to exist together it smacks of my sons got additional needs so he's entitled .if it was a guide dog how do you determine who's more important

Children are more important than dogs.

ScribblingPixie · 25/04/2023 14:49

No animals should be in eating establishments unless absolutely necessary.

That's up to business owners. You don't get to say what 'should' and 'shouldn't' happen on their premises so long as they stay within the law. What arrogance!

JusthereforXmas · 25/04/2023 14:49

pfftt · 24/04/2023 21:46

@TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl Im not sure when it became acceptable to take bloody dogs everywhere and anywhere but for people with allergies it can be very distressing.
But as it IS allowed, it is unreasonable to demand someone stands up. Every person on that bus might have dog hair all over them.

Yep

I can honestly say I have never taken my cats out with me (nervous rescues that would have a heart attack on a bus) but since the day I got them every single day I have been coated head to toe in f*cking cat hair... I love them but no amount of grooming them or rollering my cloths when I leave the house fixes it and I can go through an entire sticky roller and still be clearly noticeable.

SupportHere · 25/04/2023 14:50

I don’t understand why you are attacking @Ricardosj.
she/he is making a valid point. If you don’t like dogs, stay at home. It’s not the responsibility of other people to accommodate your needs. 😑

Fourteenhouses · 25/04/2023 14:50

nomoredriving · 25/04/2023 14:48

@Fourteenhouses I've read them and the issue was yours, not the other customers or the cafe owners.

Well luckily it worked out for us as the owner got them to leave and my ds was then able to calm down and have his food

Amybelle88 · 25/04/2023 14:50

@Fourteenhouses everywhere isn't dog friendly by default - the place you visited was.

I'm so sorry that your son is so badly affected by dogs, it sounds truly awful for him and for you as a mum. However, this appears to be one of his biggest triggers and something that should be considered every time you take him out, so checking whether where you're going is dog friendly or not should be a pretty important priority to you or whoever is taking your son out.

The last incident is one of them things - it's happened, you know to check in future and the owner was stuck between a rock and a hard place; you can't go to a dog friendly establishment then object when a dog turns up, although I understand that you've said you'd didn't realise the policy at the time.

However, the first come, first served policy that you're taking upon yourself to use regarding guide dogs is so wrong and is bear that in mind should it happen again in the future as legally you wouldn't have a leg to stand on; guide dogs take priority.

I hope you find a way to help your son with this as it must be so hard for him, I wonder if there are any therapies available?

nomoredriving · 25/04/2023 14:51

ScribblingPixie · 25/04/2023 14:49

No animals should be in eating establishments unless absolutely necessary.

That's up to business owners. You don't get to say what 'should' and 'shouldn't' happen on their premises so long as they stay within the law. What arrogance!

Exactly this, it's almost like some people want to tell others how to run their own businesses!

Entitled much!

Fourteenhouses · 25/04/2023 14:52

Amybelle88 · 25/04/2023 14:50

@Fourteenhouses everywhere isn't dog friendly by default - the place you visited was.

I'm so sorry that your son is so badly affected by dogs, it sounds truly awful for him and for you as a mum. However, this appears to be one of his biggest triggers and something that should be considered every time you take him out, so checking whether where you're going is dog friendly or not should be a pretty important priority to you or whoever is taking your son out.

The last incident is one of them things - it's happened, you know to check in future and the owner was stuck between a rock and a hard place; you can't go to a dog friendly establishment then object when a dog turns up, although I understand that you've said you'd didn't realise the policy at the time.

However, the first come, first served policy that you're taking upon yourself to use regarding guide dogs is so wrong and is bear that in mind should it happen again in the future as legally you wouldn't have a leg to stand on; guide dogs take priority.

I hope you find a way to help your son with this as it must be so hard for him, I wonder if there are any therapies available?

Again , please read all my posts before responding to me . You would see then that I have changed my position on the hypothetical guide dog scenario presented to me after someone kindly posted the legal info.
I maintain that what I did in the real situation that happened to us was the right thing to do

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