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To think that prisons should not accommodate prisoners' "sexual fetishes"?

45 replies

Poonicorn · 28/01/2023 09:15

"Sophie" Eastwood who strangled a cell mate with a shoelace identifies as a baby and the prison supplies them with nappies, pureed food, a dummy etc. and the guards have to hold their hand when they leave their cell.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2022/04/10/scotland-strangler-now-identifies-as-a-baby-who-wears-nappies-in-jail-16439336/amp/

This is described as a sexual fetish.

AIBU to think that prisons and guards should not have to validate and participate in a person's sexual fetish?

OP posts:
Sucessinthenewyear · 28/01/2023 09:16

The worst bit of that for me is making the guards join in with sexualised hand holding. That isn’t on at all. Well the whole thing isn’t.

harrassedmumto3 · 28/01/2023 09:18

YADNBU

bellinisurge · 28/01/2023 09:18

The House of Cards that has been built around giving supremacy to "identities" over biological sex is starting to crumble.
And, no, prison officers should refuse and be supported by their governors

Sucessinthenewyear · 28/01/2023 09:19

Having just read the article now, guard’s aren’t been made to hold ‘her’ hand and ‘she’ hasn’t been given nappies or puree food. These have been asked for but not provided.

growinggreyer · 28/01/2023 09:19

It all sounds ridiculous. I work with pre-schoolers, and we push them for independence. If they have teeth they don't get pureed food. If they are ready we toilet train. If they come with a bottle we transfer to a cup. Why is an able-bodied adult male being treated with less dignity than a three year old?

Poonicorn · 28/01/2023 09:36

Sucessinthenewyear · 28/01/2023 09:19

Having just read the article now, guard’s aren’t been made to hold ‘her’ hand and ‘she’ hasn’t been given nappies or puree food. These have been asked for but not provided.

Oh yes you're right. They are taking "her" demands seriously and considering how to fulfill them but in the meantime they have given "her" a dummy.

It still begs the question as to why a sexual fetish is being accommodated by the prison service.

OP posts:
Poonicorn · 28/01/2023 09:37

growinggreyer · 28/01/2023 09:19

It all sounds ridiculous. I work with pre-schoolers, and we push them for independence. If they have teeth they don't get pureed food. If they are ready we toilet train. If they come with a bottle we transfer to a cup. Why is an able-bodied adult male being treated with less dignity than a three year old?

Because of the magic of identifying as something that you're not.

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FuckabethFuckor · 28/01/2023 09:39

That article felt odd, a bit half-finished and inconclusive. Clearly there’s some sustained attempts at system-gaming going on (in all senses).

Poonicorn · 28/01/2023 09:41

There are lots of articles about it if you Google "Sophie Eastwood baby".

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WifeMotherWorker · 28/01/2023 09:42

YANBU - it’s a disgrace, this whole fictional gender ideology is scandalous.

LeCarre · 28/01/2023 09:44

“Lunatics running the asylum” used to just be a saying.

RichardBarrister · 28/01/2023 09:45

Former prison governor Rhona Hotchkiss said she was warned it would ‘make life difficult for her’ if she objected to these male sexual fetishes being performed in a female prison.

esgee · 28/01/2023 09:45

I wonder if he became 'a baby' after he strangled someone else?

This 'identifying shit' is getting out of control...

Sunriseinwonderland · 28/01/2023 09:45

Poonicorn · 28/01/2023 09:15

"Sophie" Eastwood who strangled a cell mate with a shoelace identifies as a baby and the prison supplies them with nappies, pureed food, a dummy etc. and the guards have to hold their hand when they leave their cell.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2022/04/10/scotland-strangler-now-identifies-as-a-baby-who-wears-nappies-in-jail-16439336/amp/

This is described as a sexual fetish.

AIBU to think that prisons and guards should not have to validate and participate in a person's sexual fetish?

That did not happen when I was a prison officer I can tell you - men's prison. It's bollocks. Nobody would have stuffed a dummy in his mouth and held his hand. The tabloids do print some absolute rubbish.

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 28/01/2023 10:05

Sunriseinwonderland · 28/01/2023 09:45

That did not happen when I was a prison officer I can tell you - men's prison. It's bollocks. Nobody would have stuffed a dummy in his mouth and held his hand. The tabloids do print some absolute rubbish.

Why is it the tabloid's fault? They're just printing what happened. No point shooting the messenger.

Changemaname1 · 28/01/2023 10:09

And of course it’s actually a guy

starting to sound like my gran but the world truly has gone mad

Helleofabore · 28/01/2023 10:27

YADNBU OP!!

I am just waiting for the usual poster’s to come along and say :

That you are transphobic or anti-trans for even mentioning that the situation with Bryson was not a one off issue.

Or

Do the ‘not another one’ route to try to shame you for having the temerity to post this outside the feminist board. And then try to get the thread moved to that board.

Or.

To tell you that people don’t want to know this, why have you posted it? Only an extreme and hateful minority would want to know this.

Are we taking bets?

Or have the attempts to get women to know their place or to just STFU started to disappear this week? Because those usual posters understand that they actually don’t and never did have the moral high ground they supremely believed they had.

FOJN · 28/01/2023 10:29

And in Canada a CSA survivor was threatened with disciplinary action if she refused to monitor a trans identified prisoner on suicide watch even though he was masturbating in his cell. The female prison officer suggested it would be more appropriate for a male officer to monitor the prisoner. I can't help but wonder if the prisoner would have been quite as enthusiastic to masturbate in front of a male prison guard.

reduxx.info/canada-female-prison-guard-diagnosed-with-ptsd-after-being-forced-to-monitor-a-trans-identified-male-in-a-womens-prison/

Helleofabore · 28/01/2023 10:35

I hope you don’t mind OP. I am adding this link for those who believe there is nothing wrong with a male being in a female prison if isolated.

They usually forget the impact on female prison and mental institution staff.

While this is from Canada, there is no reason that something similar couldn’t happen here.

www.canlii.org/en/on/onwsiat/doc/2022/2022onwsiat1544/2022onwsiat1544.html?searchUrlHash=AAAAAQALVHJhbnNnZW5kZXIAAAAAAQ&resultIndex=5

This woman won her case for compensation for her PTSD retrauma.

TL:DR

The female prison officer alerted her manager she suffered sexual abuse and could not watch a male prison on suicide watch.

Manager asked her to fill in but she ended up doing a full shift.

Prisoner knew a woman was watching. Prisoner masturbated while officer had to watch and watch while male went to toilet too.

Court awarded her damages due to retraumatisation.

sst1234 · 28/01/2023 10:36

What happens when some perverted dude says he identifies as a six year old and wants to be accommodated in primary school with other children. If you tolerate this, then your children will be next. It will happen and there’s nothing you’ll be able to do about it.

But hey, you must respect other people’s identity and choices and allow them to be who they really are.

Helleofabore · 28/01/2023 10:36

Oh. Cross posted with you FOJN

Goatling · 28/01/2023 10:46

Quite prepared to be told IABU but I'm sick of all this shit.

FOJN · 28/01/2023 10:47

Helleofabore · 28/01/2023 10:36

Oh. Cross posted with you FOJN

It never hurts to repeat the reports about the true horrors of this ideology.

Ofcourseshecan · 28/01/2023 10:48

RichardBarrister · 28/01/2023 09:45

Former prison governor Rhona Hotchkiss said she was warned it would ‘make life difficult for her’ if she objected to these male sexual fetishes being performed in a female prison.

This is truly outrageous.