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If this is true AIBU to worry?

52 replies

Wasrelaxing · 11/09/2019 07:58

this post was on fb today, is it true?

WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THE LISBON TREATY, THE TREATY THAT COMES INTO FORCE 2020, ITS WORSE THAN THE SO CALLED DEAL, IF 99% OF THE BRITISH THINK TERESA MAYS DEAL IS BAD, JUST LOOK AT THE LISBON TREATY. PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW, LEAVERS AND REMAIN
..“What will actually happen if we stay in the EU” is a question no remainer will ever answer but here it is warts and all.
Check it out if you wish ——>>
1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed.
2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s.
3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty.
4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. (This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen, the move is fully cancelled - but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.)
5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK.
6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today.
7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals.
8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs.
9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas.
10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights
11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights
12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 - as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty
13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation
14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent
15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy
16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them
17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealths
18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.: Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar etc
19: The UK loses control of its judicial system
20: The UK loses control of its international policy
21: The UK loses full control of its national policy
22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right.
23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program
24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction
25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty
26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020
This is the future that the youths of today think we stole from them?
They should be on their knees thanking us for saving them from being turned into Orwellian automatons!
Forget Deals no deals its time for remainers and brexiteers to unite and see whats coming before its to late. This is the whole reason they are dragging brexit out. So we can get to 2020 then we have no choices anynore.

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Grimbles · 11/09/2019 08:00

The Lisbon treaty came into force in 2009...

anyginplease · 11/09/2019 08:01

If it's on fb it must be true Hmm

Littlebelina · 11/09/2019 08:02

It's mostly bollocks

fullfact.org/europe/viral-list-about-lisbon-treaty-wrong/

WaterSheep · 11/09/2019 08:02

www.thatsnonsense.com/social-media-posts-outlines-26-points-of-the-lisbon-treaty-fact-check/

Here's a nice step by step walkthrough for you.

ShatnersWig · 11/09/2019 08:03

Sigh. It's on Facebook, it MUST be true.

I can't believe the amount of shit people send viral, forward it around Facebook without checking whether it's accurate.

OP, there is a very useful independent site called Full Facts. I suggest you use it whenever you see this sort of shit before reposting it on MN or in other places and scaremongering. Here's their piece on this very same viral thread.

fullfact.org/europe/viral-list-about-lisbon-treaty-wrong/

FenellaVelour · 11/09/2019 08:03

Good grief.

Stressedout10 · 11/09/2019 08:04

Biggest pile of bs since bojos big red bus

BaronessBomburst · 11/09/2019 08:04

I actually laughed at that. Especially the bit about the Stock Exchange moving to Frankfurt.

ChristmasBrisket · 11/09/2019 08:04

Sorry, stuff and nonsense.

For starters the point that the pound is set to be scrapped in three years might have alerted you to the fact that this is mostly bollocks!

Grimbles · 11/09/2019 08:05

My favourite one recently was a leaver citing an Oliver Cromwell in support of leaving with no deal.

Because that turned out well...

MrsElizabethShelby · 11/09/2019 08:05

@Grimbles Grin

iamruth · 11/09/2019 08:06

From my limited googling I instantly discovered that as part of the Lisbon treaty, which came in to force 1 dec 2009 “The Treaty for the first time gave member states the explicit legal right to leave the EU, and established a procedure by which to do so.”

Sometimes I despair that people can’t even put something into google never mind actually fact check...

Wasrelaxing · 11/09/2019 08:06

Thanks guys, I knew I’d get the answers here.

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WaterSheep · 11/09/2019 08:07

Thanks guys, I knew I’d get the answers here.

Why didn't you just use google? Confused

AnalUnicorn · 11/09/2019 08:10

I’ve always found that the more capital letters are included in the post, the more reliable and credible it is.

ThirstyGhost · 11/09/2019 08:21

Next time just copy and paste selection of the text into Google inside quotation marks and search for it.

CantSleepClownsWillEatMe · 11/09/2019 08:24

@AnalUnicorn Grin Grin Grin

ShatnersWig · 11/09/2019 08:25

This is why we're in the shit we're in. People sharing this stuff without having the brain cells to check for themselves, which takes all of 10 seconds thanks to the internet. And believing everything they read on social media.

OP why not ask MNHQ to delete this thread so you're not joining in filling people's minds with shit? Quite honestly, anyone with an iota of common sense could tell by the way it's written it's bollocks.

PianoTuner567 · 11/09/2019 08:29

Oh come on. You don’t even need Google, you can tell by the writing style that it’s total crap.

thecatneuterer · 11/09/2019 08:37

I’ve always found that the more capital letters are included in the post, the more reliable and credible it is.

Grin so true.

Tonnerre · 11/09/2019 08:39

I love the way the post talks about what "remainers will never answer" followed by a load of bollocks which the records demonstrate has been comprehensively answered. The fact that any leave campaigner gives this credence is seriously depressing.

Clementara21 · 11/09/2019 08:44

I hope that you will put your Facebook "friend" right on this.
People and organisations spreading misinformation on social media is largely why we're in the mess that we are. Don't let it go uncorrected.

WhatsMyPassword · 11/09/2019 08:46

God sakes. I despair. I really do.

AudacityOfHope · 11/09/2019 08:47

Fucking hell OP

Generally when there's ALL CAPS AND NO PUNCTUATION you can dismiss it as the ramblings of a madman.

Petrichor11 · 11/09/2019 08:56

YABU for believing crap from fb. Grow up and stop peddling such bollocks