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To use a Perfect Prep??

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FarmerYumi · 26/09/2017 14:24

Health visitor has the arse about me using it to feed my baby. Used one with DC1 with no issues, bought a new one for DC2.

I asked what the issue was exactly and she couldnt really give me an answer. She said she had heard of a baby getting sick and they thought it could be the perfect prep. I asked for more details. She said they can grow mouldy. I said I was aware of the mould issue, this is why I replaced it for DC2, and clean it out every couple of days. I check the pipes regularly.

She just said I should try doing it "the old fashioned way" to see if DC liked the milk better Hmm she has no issues with her feeding at all. I'm stumped.

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toolonglurking · 26/09/2017 14:29

In my experience Health Visitors are full of shit, keep doing what you are doing and just smile and nod when she tells you you are doing it wrong.

Idontevencareanymore · 26/09/2017 14:30

Didn't thy get a bad press due to the water not heating enough or something?
I know a few who use them with no issues and I'd have thought shed have actual reasons.

wowbutter · 26/09/2017 14:33

Ignore her, they're ace.

Babies get ill from formula, breast, cold, hot, ..... babies get ill.
Follow the instructions. Keep it clean. You'll be grand.

Fishandthechips · 26/09/2017 14:35

I used one. My health visitor saw it and said they were wonderful inventions and that if they were around when he had kids he would have used one too. He did mention that some health visitors and midwifes didn't like them but there was no evidence to suggest that they were bad or shouldn't be used.
I sometimes wonder if people are so negative about these sort of things because they had to do it the old fashioned (time consuming) way so feel everyone else should have to as well.

dementedpixie · 26/09/2017 14:40

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.firststepsnutrition.org/pdfs/Statement_on_making_up_formula%2520safely_Mar_2015_final.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwj1_sGA_MLWAhWGKcAKHQBjCTAQFggwMAQ&usg=AFQjCNFvD-ezBQR12dDqZCbG7yqws9luFQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.firststepsnutrition.org/pdfs/Statement_on_making_up_formula%2520safely_Mar_2015_final.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwj1_sGA_MLWAhWGKcAKHQBjCTAQFggwMAQ&usg=AFQjCNFvD-ezBQR12dDqZCbG7yqws9luFQ - think there is some question as to whether the hot shot stays warm enough to kill bacteria in the powder.

Katyazamo · 26/09/2017 15:09

Make sure you are following the updated cleaning instructions and if you are then don't see why not!

haveacupoftea · 26/09/2017 15:11

It wasn't even mould, it was some kind of harmless limescale buildup in the pipes and the reason for that is that the person bought and used knock off filters for the machine.

PP is the best invention ever.

TammySwansonTwo · 26/09/2017 15:11

There are three main known issues:

  • not being sure that the hot shot is hot enough or enough volume to effectively kill the bacteria
  • Mold inside the internal tubing which you wouldn't know unless you took it apart AFAIK
  • BBC Watchdog did a report where they found the machine actually introduced bacteria into sterile water.

Between all that, and the fact that TT refuse to release the results of their research and other safety information, I wouldn't touch one with a fucking barge pole.

Personally I don't see the point anyway, I replicate it myself:

  • boil kettle
  • add 60ml to bottle
  • add powder and mix
  • add cooled water (just stick a bottle of boiled water in fridge each morning)

That way I can be sure the water is hot enough to kill the bacteria and still get a cooler bottle of formula at the end of it without having to wait 30 mins for kettle to cool down.

Rodent01 · 26/09/2017 15:12

I have one. Had double mastectomy 3 years ago so had to FF. Freaking love it. I highly doubt TT would have made a machine without properly testing everything about it and ruining their reputation.

Some people just don't trust new inventions that make life easier!!!!

SerfTerf · 26/09/2017 15:12

Ha. She was blagging because she'd forgotten the exact details of the problem with them. HVs are human too Grin

Yes, as pp linked, it's the water temp.

Your choice, though, once you've read up.

Rodent01 · 26/09/2017 15:14

I might stand corrected by pp on various factors, Im still going to use it though.

SerfTerf · 26/09/2017 15:15

Some people just don't trust new inventions that make life easier!!!!

Maybe that generalisation isn't completely irrelevant bollocks, but either way, there are actual issues with the perfect prep.

dontquotemeondailymail · 26/09/2017 15:22

I loved mine! Absolute dream machine for night time feeds.

TammySwansonTwo · 26/09/2017 16:04

Personally I don't get that we spend 9 months avoiding anything with the slightest smidgen of a risk, but when baby arrives we are perfectly willing to ignore legitimate concerns about things. I find it really odd. If TT had nothing to hide they'd release their research data but they continue to refuse.

Each to their own obviously but I don't really understand when it's just as easy to do the same thing with a kettle and some cooled water yourself!

Rodent01 · 26/09/2017 16:10

It all depends on your perception of risk.

Some people co sleep / put baby in own room at a week old / put them to sleep on tummies. All of these also have risk but people do them.

I have chosen to use the machine as I believe the benefit outweighs the risk, but I don't co sleep and I always put my baby on her back in her basket / cot in my room and will so till she's 6 months.

Each to their own.

Pengggwn · 26/09/2017 16:11

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TammySwansonTwo · 26/09/2017 16:13

That's only one aspect though - there's the water temp issue, and the issue of a machine that's been used and cleaned correctly actually adding bacteria to sterile water, as highlighted by watchdog. The excuse that those who had mildew used off brand filters seems rather convenient and unverifiable to me.

Pengggwn · 26/09/2017 16:14

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Scrumptiousbears · 26/09/2017 16:14

I had one with my second. Gutted I didn't have it with my first, that would have saved some tears. Best invention ever.

SerfTerf · 26/09/2017 16:15

Absolutely rodent, but when someone's asking about the device, don't just dismiss the question with "some people are martyred old luddites"(paraphrased) and not acknowledge that there's a controversy. OP's entitled to know what the issues are so that she can make an informed judgement.

coconutpie · 26/09/2017 16:18

YABU.

It doesn’t prepare the formula properly because the water is not hot enough to kill the bacteria in the formula. Your baby could get very ill from it. Why would you risk your baby’s health?

Pengggwn · 26/09/2017 16:19

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CosyFires · 26/09/2017 16:20

I've used one for DD for 14 months now, she has never been sick. Just clean and check it regularly Smile

Wait4nothing · 26/09/2017 16:30

We used one. Anyone who is arguing a pp can introduce bacteria needs to think about how clean their kettle is.
I read up about the water temperature. As normally you add the formula to the boiling water we just switched our process and put the formula in the bottle before the first shot of water - that took out the risk of the water cooling too much between the hot shot and the powder being added.
We changed the filters regularly and had a monthly big check/clean.
We were happy with it.

caroline161 · 26/09/2017 16:43

Benefit outweighs the risk???? Have a word with yourself. It really, really doesn't.