... to think that JAck and tBeanstalk is all wrong?

[futureme]

I read a longer version to my 3 year old earlier this week and I'm really not sure about the poor Giant.

Giant is doing nothing wrong, Boy breaks into house and Wife hides him. He steals some Gold

Boy breaks into house again and steals golden goose

Boy breaks into house again and steals harp

Boy ends up chopping down tree and kills giant.

Poor Giant. :(

YANBU

Thats why its brilliant!! Feel sorry for poor jack, ok that he steals from the rich. Lots of talking points.

The giant wants to eat him though. And he's got all that gold he's just counting, he should share his wealth.

Maybe it's a communist parable?

Giant only wants to eat him as he's broken into the house.... I still think the boy is morally dubious and te shouldnt be cheering at the Giants demise!

Ah but the 'proper' version, and by that I mean ladybird book explains that all the giants wealth was jacks father's. The giant stole from him and killed him. All about revenge, another lovely lesson to teach children...

Yanbu.

Jacks an arse. You forgot how instead if selling the cow for money so he could eat, he got magic beans. He completely ignored his mother, put his trust in a complete stranger and he lies, steals and murders the giant.

Don't even get me started on goldilocks!

Roald Dahl's Revolting Rhyme of Goldilocks is a much better version.

I agree. When I'm reading to my class we discuss if it's OK for Jack to steal. Same with Goldilocks, little sod.

Don't read Opies and Opies then.

I've never really liked Roald Dahl. So many just "mean" characters. I hated reading the twits at school. My daughter of course loves anything he's written!

Yanbu. I feel the same way about poor Rumpelstiltskin who gets royally ripped off by the Queen, who by the way has just married the greedy king who locked her up and threatened to kill her!

I also feel sorry for the fox and his mum getting boiled alive at the end of the Little Red Hen. What else are foxes supposed to eat?

obi

Opies and Opies?

My dd is currently working through LRRH Into The Woods.
wtf is that, bloody paedophilia.

I've not heard of Opies.

How has it taken me until my late 30s to question this!

I think, despite years on mn, its my first AIBU! I'm glad to hear I am not :D

I know about the researchers Opie and Opie, hoping it's something of theirs I've missed?

Obi, come back.

Giant only wants to eat him as he's broken into the house

Not quite; the giant wants to eat him because he can smell him and he likes to eat people. That's what ogres do.

Well yes - but he wouldn't smell him if he wasn't in his house!

If you want a really messed-up children's story, try this!!

Yeah Opie and Opie released a book of original fairytales they'd gathered. Jack is Cornish and not a nice chap. Kills a number of equally not nice Giants and breaks a magical spell. I remember something about a grandmother who could transform herself into a cat, I can't get the book as its in dds room (only one with book shelves in cupboards)

She is 8 I'm not letting her read it for another few years but she will read it when she's older. I think the prince in sleeping beauty is a violent cad. Not so nice the original versions but fascinating.

Definitely worth buying and reading, I loved the history of the original tales as much as the stories it gives them real meaning which we have sadly lost.

The little match girl is sad.

You obvs need to read the late, great Terry Pratchett, particuly anything with Tiffany Aching.

Yeah. I've always kind of thought jack was a cunt who deserved eating. .

Yeah. I've always kind of thought jack was a cunt who deserved eating. .

That's awful sniffs poor poor tatty! Why do people write these things?