Doreen Lawrence

[DespairSometimes]

Sorry for the new nickname; those who know me already would understand why. Doreen Lawrence has been nominated for an honour from The Queen; whatever you might think about it (an personally I think it's a great idea), have a look at what's being said on this:

www.arrse.co.uk/current-affairs-news-analysis/202239-breaking-news-doreen-lawrence-made-peer.html

BREAKING NEWS...there's an internet forum where some people are being very touchy about posters discussing racist behaviour.

I really feel for Doreen Lawrence, her family, friends,community, they must feel really betrayed by society.

I can't even begin to know what she is going through, I have two dead sons, but to have your child killed to amuse and satisfy hatred filled men must be the most unbearable pain,

I found it hard to function,when my boys died, even breathing was a conscious effort, , yet she with full dignity has fought a long unnecessary fight for justice,

And we as a society still allow these people to attack and hurt her.

On MN there are endless threads about supporting people out of abusive relationships,

Do we only support people who are attacked by solo operatives?

But we have threads about toxic family or friends, so we support people who are attacked and abused by more than one.

We have threads about individuals who attack groups of people, Frankie boyle on disabled people,

I find it odd that some posters do not want to stand up for Doreen Lawrence, and object to someone drawing attention to this horrific behaviour.

If there are some of those sad people from that site looking at MN, they must be thinking, brilliant those people will never stand up to us, or speak out against us, we rule, lets do what we want.

freedom of speech I meant.

Look, there's nothing wrong with discussing racist behavior.

But linking to a thread on another forum where that behavior is being displayed, is just silly.

All it does is attract trolls and trouble.

I'm not sure if you genuinely can't understand that quote or if you're just being disingenuous?

And I'm quite sure the OP expects repercussions, or why would she bother name changing?

How depressing

Hiya Worra. Don't know what to expect, I'm sensing more repercussions from here than I ever imagined tbh, if that's what you mean. I dont expect repercussions from the Arse as I don't have contact. I already told mig and medi my real name, and will quote too, in a moment. Simple enough for a check. OK?

I know who Despair is....twilight music ....It is not subterfuge...She quite rightly has put extra measures in place to allow her to exercise some of speech.

I don't care what your name is OP

My point still remains the same

But you obviously don't seem to get it so I'll bow out now.

some freedom of speech I mean...

There's potential for trolling etc with many links. Maybe we should stick to links of blank pages in future y'know. In case something nasty comes out.....

Omg. Those assholes. "an insult to white victims of racism"?!? Are they fcking serious?. Her son was brutally murdered in a racist attack. It doesn't get much worse than that (apart from if you also have to fight the bloody system set up to protect and serve you to actually do their jobs because your son was black). She deserves every credit.

I don't think this is just about racism either, it is another example of a woman with an opinion having violent threats made against her online.

There is a post on that site suggesting she should be burried in concrete ffs.

For daring to be a public figure and a black woman.

I had never heard of this website before and would like to investigate how much awareness the army has and what it's policy on the use of social media is.

I don't think the op realized that linking and the hits from mumsnet will bring them scurrying over here.

But they will.

grim

@thisisaeuphemism where we will do our best to show them how unforgivable their behaviour is.

Thisisaeuphemism: no I didnt and tbh I still don't understand how it could, but then again I don't know much (anything) about computers and how they work
ethelb: but this makes me feel a bit better about it

To Doreen if you ever see this: Congratulations you fantastic fantastic woman!

ethelb I think you're right, very depressing, did notice a post about if it was her husband it would be OK. I wonder if we will ever get to the time when being a woman gives you equal status to being a man? If being black allows you the same voice as being white? How do these people, the racists, the misogynists, justify it to themselves?

But linking to a thread on another forum where that behavior is being displayed, is just silly

Because they may or may not come after us?

All it does is attract trolls and trouble

Oh Yes, good point, lets all keep our heads down and let them keep beating up on Doreen, she is use to it.

Look, there's nothing wrong with discussing racist behaviour

but heck don't draw attention to disapproval, or they may turn on us.

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...

I am so glad we have Doreen Lawrence, we need more people to stand up to these hateful people, because without those with a back bone we are all royally screwed.

Go on that forum and do it then.

These people are thick as shit and they are women-haters.

What they have done, historically, is to troll the sections here where women are more vulnerable. Perhaps you could now link them to those threads to make it easier?

The link has been done. If it attracts the trolls, we will deal with them as we have always done. Maybe the best thing to do is to stand up and be counted. There is so much misogyny and racism on the net, violent threats and attempts to silence. We have a website here which is mainly a female space. They can come here, doesn't mean they get it their own way.

I'm frankly feeling a bit militant after the rape threats against a woman who just wanted a woman on a bank note. Doreen Lawrence has made the UK a better, more just and more open democracy. Goodness knows how angry SHE must make these scum.

The last time those fuckwits came on here it was ridiculous. I think we held our own and they give up in the end but in the process of that I read some utterly vile mysoginistic shit which made me feel very concerned.

OP, you've done nothing wrong but I'm not surprised people are wary.

Are you really comparing pearl- clutching at the comments of some no-hopers on a stupid Internet forum with Doreen and Neville Lawrence's courage taking on the whole criminal justice system and the government to get justice fir their son?

Really?

The less vulnerable defend the vulnerable. But censoring to avoid having to do this is a really bad way to go.

ubik was that to me?

I don't think the op has been attacked - do you feel attacked op?

People have expressed concerned about the link. And about giving idiot twats a wider audience - which is what they want and makes them feel important.

I would like to discuss how we feel about Doreen Lawrence's appointment which is brilliant.