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Doreen Lawrence

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DespairSometimes · 31/07/2013 16:42

Sorry for the new nickname; those who know me already would understand why. Doreen Lawrence has been nominated for an honour from The Queen; whatever you might think about it (an personally I think it's a great idea), have a look at what's being said on this:

www.arrse.co.uk/current-affairs-news-analysis/202239-breaking-news-doreen-lawrence-made-peer.html

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DespairSometimes · 31/07/2013 20:46

Thisisaeuphemism: Well I did a bit tbh, but then Ive nothing really to compare it with lol. But I never intended to hurt anyones feelings or to invite trolls to start on anybody. I have had some nice messages though and some nice support on here. The bits I don't get is how making a link would alert anyone?

I feel Doreen's appointment is brilliant too. They say that some people "have greatness thrust upon them", and I just know as we all surely do she would rather still be plain old Doreen Lawrence who has a son, Stephen, but she isn't and doesn't and to me thats the saddest thing imaginable.

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spotscotch · 31/07/2013 20:50

What is the link between the Arrse (an apt name) and the Army, just out of interest? There must be a large proportion of army people on there, just as the majority, although by no means all, members of mumsnet are parents.

Why don't the army get the forum shut down, the views expressed on there are so fucking vile and thick it makes me want to cry. It's not exactly a great image of 'Our Boys' is it?

mignonette · 31/07/2013 20:50

Like 'Greatness thrust upon them'....Something she never wanted and would happily set down if she could.

Sallyingforth · 31/07/2013 21:01

I haven't read that link because I'm not interested in what they say there.

My only concern is that the honour might be degraded by the inevitable accusation that it was given by the party leader to attract votes. But then I suspect that many honours are indeed given to curry favour.

MrsDeVere · 31/07/2013 21:10

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everlong · 31/07/2013 21:15

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Sallyingforth · 31/07/2013 21:17

I hope she will have time to take her seat.

ubik · 31/07/2013 22:16

I'm not attacking op, her intentions were good and it is shocking to see racist attitudes so overtly expressed.

Isabeller · 31/07/2013 22:21

Have not clicked on link, sounds like a load of unpleasant unpatriotic people criticising our dear Queen. And Doreen. Harrumph.

WineNot · 31/07/2013 22:28

Have not clicked on link, sounds like a load of unpleasant unpatriotic people criticising our dear Queen. And Doreen. Harrumph.

Call them whatever you like but I wouldn't class them as 'unpatriotic'

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DespairSometimes · 31/07/2013 22:39

ubik: Thank You, made me feel a lot better.

spotscotch: "the views expressed on there are so fucking vile and thick it makes me want to cry." is exactly how i felt and told DH in no uncertain terms, just didn't expect to see it. Shock

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PomBearArmy · 01/08/2013 01:30

I had no idea some people held such negative views on Doreen Lawrence. That's baffling to me.

PomBearArmy · 01/08/2013 01:54

Ah, now I understand. It's an actual forum of dedicated racists. Charming...

stooshe · 01/08/2013 08:48

Personally, as black woman, I hope that she doesn't accept. It will only neutralise her and quite frankly no political parties in Britain at the moment want anybody with an ounce of "umph" out there being "political". This tactic of duping genuine "not in it for the shine" activists with bread and circus promises which are withdrawn as soon as the former activist gets mainstream political cachet is so old as to become boring. I'm still reeling from witnessing baroness Amos being wheeled out to apologise on behalf of Britain about some colonial atrocity it committed (I can't remember which). That she did it with a straight face ...I don't know, but I hate her now for being yet another in a long line of selfish sell outs. I hope they don't do Ms. Lawrence that way. I hope that any skeletons in her cupboard are rattling openly for all that matter to see. Only a blind somebody can't see what is being done here. Compared to what could happen, the open racists on that link are just empty barrels making too much noise.

MrsDeVere · 01/08/2013 09:28

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FreudiansSlipper · 01/08/2013 09:33

i can not think of many other people that i believe should get a peerage but if anyone through their tireless work is worthy she certainly is

AuntieStella · 01/08/2013 09:42

Those "not clicking link" should let go of their pearls. Or at least stop making assumptions about what is actually on the thread.

That thread contains a mix of comments - many from those who are unaware of her activities since the murder simply wondering why, some in support and lots condemning the Daily Mail. The few comments which went beyond that were dealt with on the thread. And of course some support the appointment.

And of course now they know of the existence of this thread: to quote jarrod:

"You can guarantee a few (troublesome posters) will go and troll mumsnet, they just can't help themselves. And a few of there most screeching of harpies will probably come here. All the normal people from both sites will just carry on normal jogging and ignore each other.

I say we give them (troublesome posterW) as a sacrifice"

Sallyingforth · 01/08/2013 10:07

I'm told by someone who claims to know, that the site has a lot of users who are skinhead wannabe NF types who pose as soldiers.

Dackyduddles · 01/08/2013 10:11

I absolutely detest that link.

But I'm not behind the honour either. I have no issue to her being given it. There's just others if rather see get one. That's all. I feel like that about quite a few of them too.

ubik · 01/08/2013 10:42

I don't have to click a link on the Internet to know that none headed knuckle-draggers exist.
Clicking on a link on the Internet isn't some fabulous act of courage.

Sallyingforth · 01/08/2013 10:43

I understand that Dacky. I feel the same. There's too much politics involved.

emuloc · 01/08/2013 11:20

I have no desire to look at the link. Doreen Lawrence has done nothing but carry herself with dignity and a quite determination all these years. I wish her well.

Hefeweizen · 01/08/2013 12:05

Sallyingforth - "I'm told by someone who claims to know, that the site has a lot of users who are skinhead wannabe NF types who pose as soldiers."

You either made that up or you have been informed by someone with no idea about that site. I'll wager you 'made that up'

verilyverity · 01/08/2013 12:16

I feel the need to comment.

Auntie Stella:

Those "not clicking link" should let go of their pearls. Or at least stop making assumptions about what is actually on the thread.

Good idea.

That thread contains a mix of comments - many from those who are unaware of her activities since the murder simply wondering why, some in support and lots condemning the Daily Mail. The few comments which went beyond that were dealt with on the thread. And of course some support the appointment.

Not one statement made regarding poster being "unaware of her activities..."

"Some in support" Really? How many? Let me apprise: NONE. Two posters supportive, but only tacitly.

"And of course some support the appointment."

But of course (refer to the above) NONE do, as far as one can see.

And of course now they know of the existence of this thread

They know of the existence of the thread because a made-up poster alerted them to it, in post 120:

Was over on mumsnet and saw this thread about arrse. I'm sympathetic towards you guys by the way.

to quote jarrod:

Actually you're not quoting jarrod. You're quoting a response by someone calling himself mac, to jarrod's modified post:

"You trolley bothering shelf stacking fantasist never served F-cking civvy C-nt"

This is the quote:

  • You can guarantee a few (troublesome posters) will go and troll mumsnet, they just can't help themselves. And a few of there most screeching of harpies will probably come here. All the normal people from both sites will just carry on normal jogging and ignore each other.

I say we give them (troublesome posterW) as a sacrifice *

Substituting (troublesome poster/s) for what is actually written (m-ngs) imbues the quote with a maturity and sensitivity that it did not actually intend to convey.

The thread is much less menacing than it was a while ago; it has been cleaned right up. Doreen Lawrence and Diane Abbot come in for a continual slagging in those pages though.

BTW, one of ARRSERs big cheeses is called Aunty Stella.

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spotscotch · 01/08/2013 12:17

Auntie, the comments on there are not what I would call a mix and some of them are positively vile. But the worst thing is that when people wrote stuff like 'she is milking it, her sons murder was the making of her' and 'she has played the victim and gone on about it over and over again' no one really pulls them up on it. No matter what your views on her proposed appointment are, comments like that surely should be seen as universally pretty disgusting. But far from anyone saying 'that is a horrible comment' a moderator in fact comes onto the thread to congratulate everyone on being so 'sensible' Hmm

I know that it is a complete waste of energy to even get bothered about that forum, but argh!