Which conspiracy theories do you believe?

[RoseWylie]

Me-

Covid came from a Chinese lab.
Epstein's death was engineered by a third party, whether by murder or by compromising the suicide watch.
Lucy Letby's conviction isn't sound and was affected by institutional motivation to find a cause for babies dying other than negligence and squalor across the department. (FAOD I have no idea whether she is innocent or guilty.)

The moon landings were real. But the media/marketing people decided that some of the footage was a bit rubbish, so they just chose to use other footage from a different day/place on the moon. Thinking that it wouldn't matter. That the appearance of 'good pictures on TV' was far more important than being honest with the public. Typical of the shallow superficiality and hubris of those types of media people.
Thus fuelling the preposterous theory that the whole thing was faked.

What is interesting to me is why people choose to believe it was all faked. One of the arguments is 'how could they have gone to the moon in the late sixties when we have never been back since and can't go now?'
Behind this is a devout belief that human progress and the march of science goes ever forward, that societies do not regress. Therefore if we can't do it now, they couldn't have done it then.
Which is nonsense of course. Our civilisation has regressed in all sorts of ways in the last 60 years.

But it's not as if the USA were way behind in 68/early 69 and then suddenly voila, a Moon landing happened out of the blue.

The USSR had an early lead in spaceflight due to their need for genuine ICBMs in the mid/late 50's which enabled their Vostock and stop gap Voshkod programme...problem is they then got stuck, partially due to the death of their chief designer, Korolev, but also down to political priorities changing with the removal of Khrushchev from office.

While that was going on the US threw a significant proportion of their GDP into their space program from 61 onwards and by the end of the Gemini project in late 66 were already streets ahead of the USSR in terms of hours in space and techniques such as rendezvous.

By 67/68 the US were nothing like way behind.

Maybe that was my intent.. like humans did not set foot on Mars comment.

But.... some tech guys do say it is bad.. still, in actions, there is increased production and development of it. Either by the same guys or others. So, factually, they keep pushing it.

If the US devoted as much of its GDP to going to the moon today as it did during the 60s, they'd have a permanent moon base. It's not technology that's holding things back, but money. That's further complicated by the politics of how the US government influences NASA's spending to benefit specific congressional districts and/or suppliers.

Surely there were other ways to do that?

I happened to get chatting to a senior Chinese scientist/academic and he is fairly sure, from speaking with colleagues, that Covid came from the Wuhan lab.

Agreed.
The economy, and the fossil fuels that power it all, are the issue. We have the technology, but we also have far too many other competing priorities for diminishing resources.

Do people consider 'peak oil' to be a conspiracy, or just a statement of the obvious?

None of them

They needed it to be heinous to create the riots.

Riots have been part of British society for a long time.

Epstein was allowed to commit suicide.

Dr David Kelly was murdered

Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage were/are being paid by Russia in a convoluted but real way ( Johnson at the infamous Italian party and Lebedev in the house of Lords, Farage destabilising the country and being funded by billionaires with connections to Russia, and actually being paid by Russian media).

Lee Harvey Oswald was indeed a Patsy. He couldn't have shot the killer magic bullet, no matter how highly trained he was.

Trumps assassination attempt was faked, and the person that died was collateral damage and his family have been both threatened and paid millions to keep quiet. God knows what has happened to the ' assassin' . It was so obviously fake that Trump bizarrely doesn't mention it now, despite fixating on other ' wrongs' that have been done to him.

Conspiracy theories are really unsettling. My YouTube feed is full of them at the moment.

I believe that Virginia Giuffre didn't commit suicide.

I'm interested in what crop circles are. The one's known to be manmade are different to the really elaborate ones and the crops are woven together, not flattened. Seriously what is that about?

I'm open to conspiracies but they do tend to creep me out.

There was no abduction of Madeleine.
Harry is a love child of Hewitt.
Epstein didn’t kill himself.
The pope that was emeritus was hidden away because of some big hidden scandal.

I know. It’s the timing that makes me think it. It is evidenced that Russia interfered with the Brexit vote isn’t it, so I don’t think it’s a big stretch to think that lots of things that happen are caused by people pulling strings.

I believe that the first assignation attempt on Trump (the shot ear one) was a set up to make him look like a heroic assignation attempt survivor and get that ‘fight’ picture. I think someone was meant to shot near him but it went a bit wrong and a spectator was accidentally hit and killed. I truly believe that he’d still be making way more of it if it was a genuine attempt. Instead it’s always been quite brushed over because it went wrong.
Aside from this belief I am very rational and don’t really believe in any others!

Don't think in absolutes.

I am not certain of much. Moon landings, probably 95% chance or greater they happened. But a finite chance remains they didn't.

Plausibility should influence the probability of a theory being correct. JFK being shot as a conspiracy theory is not wholly implausible. The Queen being a green lizard gets pretty high up there in the implausibilty stakes.

People have a habit of getting behind something and then arguing to the death about whether it is incorrect or correct. They invest so much of their time getting behind something pulling out becomes emotionally impossible. Not really the right way to think. The world is rarely black and white.

I am interested in stories about UFOs and aliens visiting earth. Spending time investigating one theory can use up your whole life if you want to take a deep dive. I don't consider myself informed enough to have a worthwhile opinion on much else in the conspiracy theory world.

People in general seem pretty quick to leap to a conclusion/opinion, but spend less time evaluating evidence.

Not a conspiracy theorist at all, but I believe the alleged Trump assassination attempts were engineered.

Cross post @SterlingsGold. His popularity increased dramatically after that incident which was no coincidence.

I'm not sure about that, but I do suspect that the tiny graze on his ear was probably caused when he was dragged down by security rather than by a bullet.

Covid from a lab isn’t a conspiracy theory, the White House and a select sub committee have both endorsed it as the most likely explanation, it’s the scientists who feel it is the least likely, it is simply no one knows for sure, there is no definitive answer.

as for rest it’s all nonsense,

I don’t think Jeffrey Epstein was murdered (or pretended to be murdered and is hiding somewhere) but I don’t think any effort was put into keeping him alive.

I don’t think old megaladon could live down in the trenches due to the extreme pressure. The only things that can live down there are essentially blobs of nothing, they can’t have any air in them as they’ll explode. My autistic son has trenches as one of his special interests (it’s extremely boring tbh!) and he’s constantly going on about the pressure. I have a weird hope that they’re out there in some unexplored area and we’ve just never hit them with scans. I also weirdly sort of semi-believe in the Loch Ness monster although I know it makes me sound like a nutter. I think I’ve just had so much animal and earth information thrown at me by my son, I almost can see how just not quite catching something visually or with radars/sonar, is really possible.

Big Foot
Loch Ness monster
Yeti
Nothing has been proved otherwise

Yeh by him for the attention.

I thought it was accepted that Covid was from a lab!

The moon landings are just fascinating. I wouldn’t go as far to say they were fake. But it’s ok to question these things. I have always wondered why nobody ever went back and £££ is a good answer. I did question the technology back then - we only had a few TV channels yet could send men to the moon. I get that it’s different technology but you can see why people are a bit suspicious.