Transphobic Christmas lights

[Bitchyfrench]

Can't believe more people aren't up in arms about the transphobic Harry Potter Oxford Street lights.

Apparently a mere 10,000 people have sent emails to London Mayor Sir Sadiq Khan demanding that he ‘pull the plug on transphobia’ and cancel the themed lights.

The Good Law Project, who are always at the forefront of good sense and well-rounded thinking are quite rightly outraged that trans folk can't possibly feel Christmassy when inanimate twinkly Christmas lights are mocking their right to feel festive.

Down with this sort of thing.

But I didn't do that.

Oh dear. Please read the report you linked to properly and understand what the 10% refers to.

FWIW I know football fans who have worse outcomes khazi-wise than trans people. Maybe we should let the away fans use the ladies as well.

I am referring to your message which said 10%

Read. The. Report. You. Linked. To.

Unless trans people only pee once a year, it's not as you claimed being harassed "1 in 10 times" that they visit the khazi!

I withdrew my post because i could feel an angry figure hovering over the report button in the ether.

as with the KJK thread.

Oh!oh!oh! Burn! Sizzle! Ouch!

Are you sure you are really a dusty old statistician and not a cutting edge comedian used to dishing out comebacks to the drunk hecklers on a Friday night?

Oh no you’re not

Hedge! He's behind you!

No. Trans women do that.

Which is one of the reasons we do not appreciate people like you lumping them in with us.

Because the whole thing is fucking sexist, right from "I'm a woman because I feel like one" to "Hey, you don't really need female-only spaces or rights or language do you? Oh you do? Well sorry but I am now telling you you don't get to have them. You don't get a choice here."

Oh for goodness sake. Obviously I replied to your message which didn't specify. Its actually not that clear in the report what 'in the last year' means as its unlikely that everybody experienced it exactly once in the year and I am not going to go and read the data tables right now. It wouldn't matter anyway, because you know perfectly well that me saying 1 in 10 at the end of a long evening arguing with mumsnetters doesn't really mean anything at all in terms of our respective views.

On topic...

If only Genderists had been a bit nicer to JKR, she might have put some of her charity millions towards some third spaces ("Rooms of Requirement" 😂)

But TRAs had to go and demand the whole thing didn't they. Not safe spaces but women's spaces. And their charities instead of tackling the reasons they felt unsafe in their own spaces backed up the colonisation.

So instead they've now alienated most of the public and one of the UK's biggest left wing philanthropists. Dafties!

I’m not a statistician. The study you linked doesn’t seem to give any evidence that ‘denying people the right to use the toilet of their choice actually makes everybody less safe’. How does denying trans-identifying men the right to use women’s toilets make women less safe? I can’t see where the research you linked demonstrates that. Can you please explain to a non-statistician? Thanks.

Can’t wait for the Big Transphobic Lights Switch On next week! 4 more sleeps! 🎅

Yes, exactly. Let Them All In

😂
I've played this game 6 times, trying to make up for the whingers!

🎯

I looked up crime data in the UK there is nothing really that trans rights activists could hang their hat on, with regards to assaults or threats to trans people in the correct sex toilet.

if there was an occasion of a reported actual incident, i am pretty sure it would have been utilised.

i do think in reality this is about what has possibly happened in the past with gay and transvestite bashings which probably did exist in the past.

although there is no data on this.

Saddest of the sad times

So, you, a statistician, were asked for evidence and linked to a report from a vested interest group for a different country based on self reported data and you didn't even read it?

Can you not see this is exactly what I'm trying to get you to understand - that you are operating on assumptions and prejudices not critucal thinking and knowledge?

Which is ok for some things. I myself have an irrational rejection of Strictly even though I've never watched it and honestly might quite like it.

But it's not when it comes to supporting a sexist movement that wants to remove women's protections based on stereotypes of womanhood being performed by men.

You assume the data must be there, if you had time to look for it.

But ask yourself....

What
If
It's
Not?

Well they’d best get cracking on the third spaces now then. Everyone has Toilet Fatigue and TRA Fatigue, your argument’s time has come and gone as we’ll not be seeing 2018 again

That’s just too good.

But trans people can access toilets abd healthcare. They have exactly the same rights as everyone else. Isn’t that amazing!!

No it isn’t.

I've lived in rough places. I believe it will happen sometimes. Just no more than men of other out groups face. And I certainly don't think it should be leveraged to justify a select bunch of men getting access to women's private or protected spaces.