Esther Rantzen "too frail" to travel to Switzerland (Dignitas)

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Hopefully a family member of friend will take her and she can get her wish.

Not many people are comfortable at taking another person's life regardless of circumstances.
They just aren't.

I am not sure what you mean by “regardless of circumstances” here. All countries with PAD have legislation on the circumstances.

It could be argued that safeguards need to be stronger in some countries, but the basis of the laws should be preventing suffering in terminal cases with little hope of the patient recovering quality of life. Not just “taking a life” without such circumstances.

Yet. But if the bill is eventually passed,who's to say that won't become an eventuality?

What is this talk about pills? A lethal dose of morphine administered with a needle is all that is needed. And all this hysteria over Canada. My friend who lives in Canada and whose husband was dying of cancer chose assisted dying as he was through with all the treatment. She said it was a good death. She was with him and he died peacefully.

So you have an example of one good experience, and the rest is "hysteria"?

If I were her daughter I’d be getting her on the plane if that was her wish and I’d let the authorities unleash whatever punitive punishment they wanted to push my way. Literally nothing would stop me.

I listened to her daughter on the radio, she spoke well. Such an emotive issue.

What show/radio channel was this on? Thanks I'll try listen back if that's possible.

The biggest abuse is killing people who don’t want to die and assisted dying in other countries has led to this.

Except the fact that she is too frail to travel.
She can’t travel. She can’t be pushed onto a plane.

That’s pure whataboutery.

And yet there are signs that euthanasia is being abused in NL.

https://care.org.uk/news/2025/04/euthanasia-deaths-rise-sharply-in-the-netherlands

This has got nothing whatsoever to do with very elderly people. Why do you think it does? The number of people on this thread alone who seem to have no clue!

I don't think that's what whataboutery means.
It's more an example of a slippery slope

Yes, you may be right, but whatever, the slippery slope argument shouldn’t be part of this. The bill allowed for no slippery slope.

With her wealth I’m sure it could be done but I don’t think that’s the point the family is actually making. They are trying to articulate that this should be something a civilised country should offer to their citizens with the appropriate safety rails, but of course religion take priority when it comes to assisted dying.

Such an important, yet heartbreaking point

But the bill isn’t about or for old people, and never was. Being old wouldn’t qualify you for AD. It doesn’t matter how much capacity you’ve lost.

I listened to her on Tom Swarbricks show on LBC. Yesterday. Can’t recall what time but you’ll get it on catch up. It is very much worth listen to Rebecca, she spoke powerfully.

You do not have to be religious to have qualms about assisted dying.

I will never forget the pictures of Tony Nicklinson when he was refused the right to die some years ago. Shame on this country that we are putting people and their families through this. I hope when it comes to it, that I am able to choose, not just for my sake, but for my loved ones'.

Thank you.

Yes
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49660525

BBC has sanitised it a bit, but in reading other articles it is concerning.

Her husband dropped her at the nursing home because he was fed up with her. Then because she wandered the halls at night and was angry about being dumped there, the doctor decided she was ‘suffering unbearably’ and so decided to euthanise her. She wasn’t told of the decision to euthanise her “to avoid unnecessary distress”.

Studies in Canada show that disabled post menopausal women are disproportionately euthanised and I would not be suprised it is the same in NL.

But dementia would not have qualified you for AD in the UK, so it’s irrelevant.

Who knows?

The prison risk has recently lowered.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-42820650