Thread 18 Starmer: All sides of the House agree apart from the Trump bootlickers

[DuncinToffee]

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It does come across as an ambush. It's horrific.

Yep. I have just watched snippets and felt exactly the same.

it was a deliberate action to humilate Ukraine.

And lets face it we know that Trump and Vance would do exactly the same to the UK.

The worst part which was hideous was someone aksing zelensky if he owns a suit?? How utterly horrendous what a rude question.
But trump said I liked his clothing I don't know if they get on but I think he's dressed well...

Unfortunately one has to be pragmatic here and I think some very clever people behind trump are using this earth thing as a way to keep putin at bay without rising up like a cobra against putin.

If USA put air defence in now they will start ww3.

It's much simpler to do the bloody deal, keep talk low, get USA on mines and then that's the back stop that's nato.

Not caught up yet but what the actual fuck!

That sums it up @DuncinToffee

It is cruel actually. Why did they bother inviting him? And why did the UK and France think it would work.

Either Trump is that thick skinned or erratic that he just couldn't handle reality or he planned it. Neither bears thinking about

If trump says he's thinks putin is a pyscotic killer it's all over

And when the US have stripped out what they need - what then?

The US - and the UK - signed guarantees when Ukraine gave up nuclear weapons. What did they think that meant?

@Notonthestairs it will go go on for years and by then hopefully putin dies

This is a good account for video clips (with subtitles)

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3ljaxndhska27

@Notonthestairs but that wasn't Trump so it doesn't count and so was a scam by Ukraine to cheat that poor maligned Putin. Or something like that.

Bullshit! Trump has shown the world who he is, and it's ugly as fuck. That's no way to treat a guest. He's no King, and Zelenski wasn't there to pay court. They started as equals, Zelensky has shown he's so much better.

@Llttledrummergirl - I'm sorry but I think both Putin and Trump will share an incentive to get rid of him.

It's not about the man or his courage. It's the fact he's inconvenient to much more powerful men.

The master he serves

Trump to a reporter who asks him about Russia breaking a ceasefire:

"What if a bomb drops on your head right now ... Putin went through a hell of a lot with me. He went through a phony witch hunt."

Now blaming Biden firvthecwar, sati g it wouldn't have happened if he has been President.

"I have stopped wars before they have even started. I have stopped wars no one has ever heard about."

Putins been trying to rid of him for years, how many assassination attempts.
Trump can get to fuck.

Absolutely gobsmacked by what's going on. Trump is an absolute disgrace.

It's personal, they want revenge, both Trump and Putin

@DuncinToffee - certainly looks like it.

CNN reporting Zelenskyy is leaving WH now

And who can blame him

Phoney witch hunt?WTF. Even if he’s deluded enough to think he was subject to one surely he knows Putin wasn’t…?

Fucking hell. I didn't see it all but what I did see was horrendous. Zelenskyy is a million times better man than Trump or that snake Vance.

Trump is a petty minded delicate little snowflake isn't he.
Couldnt bully Zelensky enough last time around so went for it in front of the cameras today.
Shameful.

Makes Sunday's meeting in No 10 all the more key.

As is Vance, he was just as bad if not worse

Putin will have loved all that. Absolutely loved it.