Prince Andrew no surprise

[Pixxie7]

No surprise that the met have stopped. Their investigation into PA.

[ManifestingWisdom]

Dod he accuse VG of procuring girls for JE?

Wow. Is he more vile or more stupid?

[Puzzledandpissedoff]

Thanks for the C&P Roussette
As you might expect, I'm less interested in what the media's got to say - even The Times - than the actual content of the submission, and Andrew's telling the truth (never a safe assumption) I still think they're taking a hell of a risk

Granted it's usual for the defence to attempt to trash a plaintiff, but after all it's not Giuffre who the civil suit's been brought against, and I can't quite see that chucking mud in the hope something sticks will help someone like Andrew

Of course, IF it turned out that Giuffre's merely slinging accusations in the hope of a payout I'd be the first to agree the book should be chucked at her, but we simply can't know which way round it is yet (and may never do)

And my last thought about court time being spent which could better be used on real offenders is that Andrew could have brought this to a close much sooner if he'd chosen a different path

[Roussette]

Totally agree with all you say.
I think he's pushed himself into a very sticky corner with this defence
There are very few of us who would want to be judged on our behaviour and actions at age 17.
He's judging her at age17 when she was being coerced and manipulated by a couple of 40 something year olds who trawled schools and trailer parks to recruit vulnerable girls. He's victim blaming

[upinaballoon]

@ManifestingWisdom

Dod he accuse VG of procuring girls for JE?

Wow. Is he more vile or more stupid?

I don't want to be shouted at for not remembering where I have read these things but I have googled JE and GM and VG over the last few weeks and I am going to start carefully with the words IF ANY OF IT IS TRUE, because I think some of it was in an American newspaper report. That doesn't mean I don't believe the basic scenario. It means I'm trying to be careful with my words. IF ANY OF IT IS TRUE GM rode round with the chauffeur looking for likely girls for JE. He apparently wanted lots of them. I don't know whether or not he would only have them under-age or if 19 was ok as long as they looked young. If he trafficked them on to other people I have no idea if any of the other people wanted them under-age or not. I don't know if under-age gave anyone except JE some sort of extra buzz. Whichever of those things it was that I read it in there is definitely the suggestion that JE and GM got the young girls to look for other young girls. Who was more likely to know a pretty teenager who was a bit hard-up for money -- GM in her social circles, or the girls they had already procured? I don't think this is a sudden idea. It looks as if PA's lawyers have decided to use it now.

[ManifestingWisdom]

@Roussette

Totally agree with all you say.
I think he's pushed himself into a very sticky corner with this defence
There are very few of us who would want to be judged on our behaviour and actions at age 17.
He's judging her at age17 when she was being coerced and manipulated by a couple of 40 something year olds who trawled schools and trailer parks to recruit vulnerable girls. He's victim blaming

Absolutely agree with this. I hope that it backfires horribly for him.

[CathyorClaire]

Charles voluntarily pays income tax on the income he receives from the Duchy of Cornwall

Less amounts he considers to be official expenditure.

I'd like to pay tax on that basis. I expect most of us would.

he was questioned remotely in the UK

Link?

[CathyorClaire]

I'm still intrigued by the sealed 2009 agreement his lawyers got unsealed. They've now been granted a request for it to remain sealed. Are we to assume it's not the silver bullet they thought it might be?

[Roussette]

I would like to know that too

[prh47bridge]

@CathyorClaire

I'm still intrigued by the sealed 2009 agreement his lawyers got unsealed. They've now been granted a request for it to remain sealed. Are we to assume it's not the silver bullet they thought it might be?

No, they are still arguing that it prevents Giuffre taking action against Andrew. Keeping it sealed simply means that the rest of us won't get to read it.