Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #63

He is right, RCN weren't doing nothing. They were actively having meetings about how to thwart For Women Judgement.

TT

NC - you like government had the benefit of the SC judgement itself. An unlawful practice had been adopted practice, an unlawful local practice, you were sitting on your hands, you the RCN.
NP- I disagree that the SWAG meeting was minuted.

TT

NC at the time of SC judgement they suspended policies and withdrew back. No policy in the system at the time. I am suggesting there was no gov policy to revisit, what there was was a practice that had grown up seen at NHS Fife that was at detriment to all female staff.

That practice had crept in and you as a union did nothing about it.
NP - partnership happens at SWAG, do not agree RCN doing nothing. RCN suggested SWAG had a role to play.

It's like being told off by your mum when she's going for the calm you know what you did was wrong tone with a level of I'm so disappointed in you.

And while all this talk about partnerships and policy discussions via SWAG is going on….poor Sandie is suspended and being treated as if she has done something wrong ! But the men at the union did fuck all !!

SWAG is the cross union members rep group plus government bla bla bla tub of treacle

TT

NC - (refers to SWAG minutes) you note bullet point - any policies through programme board. But the problem is that not that there is a bad policy, there was no policy at SWAG level, not such policy that 'men who say they are women are women).

He has some neck. Even as we all see he is bare bollock naked. It’s gotten him far in life. All front.

I wonder if he is one of the bro’s whose actions they complain about in that report about those running the RCN.

He comes across (to me anyway) as so disingenuous. People don’t normally life the rock to see what is under it, I suppose. He probably normally gets clean away with his line of ‘patter’, without having to really answer for his decisions and actions.

Ok, I’m a bit (well very) cross at all these bullshitters carelessly making decisions which really badly affects women. And this a Union which is supposed to defend their members! Well, get the memo. Women FO, we don’t care if you lose your job for thinking you have rights. That’ll learn ya.

He's dug that hole nice and deep today!

Sitting on hands

Bang to rights then, it was clear from SF first contact note and SP recollection that SF considered her a perp

and said will help you through the hearing that it as a holibobs.

Liars, exposed as liars.

TT

NP - We raised it this way as this is normal process.
NC - page 427 your response to MG of 27 May, essentially saying what you've just said. The gist of that is that the scottish gov kicking this into the long grass and unions happy for this to happen.

(Glad: SWAG isn't in the list of acronyms in the header in TT's thread)

Probably best for your blood pressure

Nooo, my iPad just ran out of power and I am now out 😢

I'm so angry

'Ought to have known' is a slippery old fish. One can argue that everyone 'ought' to know. SP ought to have known, because she ought to have been told. Doesn't mean she was.

TT

NP - gives examples of how hospital structures differ between England and Scotland. How it's done via SWAG.

And you can fuck off with your wanky acronyms too.

Blah blah blah blah - yawn.

That was what triggered all fucking off.

TT

NC - that is an short letter from SD to the Darlington NHS Trust? What was the reason a similar letter couldn't be written on behalf of SP and all her female colleagues
NP - managed by SWAG, we raised with SWAG.

TT

NP - I would not expect that for the reasons I gave earlier.
NC - how long would you expect that call to be NP about 30 minutes.
NC it was put to Ms Peggie and she thought it was more like 10 minutes. Those notes don't account for a 30 minute call

J - coming to end?
NC - short further section.
NC - turn to page 425.

NC - that's MG letter 21 May have you re read recently?
NP - yes
NC - she expresses disappointment that RCN hasn't resolved single sex provision. Turn to p969

it's my belief that it would be further along in the process where more of the facts are known that SF would make a decision about legal support

but not too fucking early to give Sandie reassurance that there was a legal way forward open to her if other routes were unsuccessful!!!!!!!!!

Yep

Yes. Yes, you have.