Lib Dem conference big vote on supporting women's rights tomorrow

Who would have thought this?!!!!!!!!

Only 3 published comments in response to article saying how brilliant the writer is ....

If everyone acknowledges men with PC of GR or with a GRC haven't changed sex, and services are provided by sex, and gender is not sex - why can't they use the correct sex facilities?

If everyone understands its gender that is transitioned not sex, why is everyone aware of how distressed these male men would be in the male facilities, have male passports or be refered to as Mr, a long established sex title.

These men want to be in the women's space but the compromise is to give them other spaces away from the other male people. But why, if its so clear that gender and sex are different?

The GRA and PC of GR do confuse sex and gender. From the EqA: "A person has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment if the person is proposing to undergo, is undergoing or has undergone a process (or part of a process) for the purpose of reassigning the person's sex by changing physiological or other attributes of sex." Also, a man with a GRC can have a female birth certificate.

I am well aware of the SC, and the GRC (its not a pathway to surgery by the way iwanttoretire).

What im saying is, its understandable that halfwit politicians and libdem party faithful think that some sort of sex changed has happened or spaces are gendered - why else would these men need to be away from other men?

The GRA and the PC of GR are bonkers. They are not nothing, they are a safeguarding nightmare. They allow men to concel their sex. They also confuse politicians who simply dont understand them.

Argh FFS Ed Davey, you craven fool.

Supporting the motion will not save your job, nor will it bring you voters back from the greens.

Lib Dems used to be the sensible voice in the centre, now they are chasing the populist left. I resigned my membership long ago and I won't be returning any time soon.

Interesting polling today.

In recent years the Labour vote has been solid due to a high percentage of female voters. The swing vote being in the 35 - 60 range I believe.

But this polling suggests something has shifted and changed, possibly because we are now seeing a five party system emerging.

Males: Labour + LD + Green = 47%
Females: Labour + LD + Green = 44%

But the shift here ISN'T to the far right like some want to make out. It's to the centrist right.

This is a significant shift - a majority of women have been the core of the left vote for a number of years.

Its fascinating and it's surprised me.

The big question has to be 'why?'

Interesting polling today.

In recent years the Labour vote has been solid due to a high percentage of female voters. The swing vote being in the 35 - 60 range I believe.

But this polling suggests something has shifted and changed, possibly because we are now seeing a five party system emerging.

Males: Labour + LD + Green = 47%
Females: Labour + LD + Green = 44%

But the shift here ISN'T to the far right like some want to make out. It's to the centrist right.

This is a significant shift - a majority of women have been the core of the left vote for a number of years.

Its fascinating and it's surprised me.

The big question has to be 'why?'

I am slightly surprised to see the Conservatives apparently being so popular with women, and then followed by Labour.

And that Reform comes 3rd with women, but second with men!

But have to say dont quite understand the last part of the graph.

But good to see the greens second last only to Restore!

Hey, I do understand your concern, but I'm being literal. Often, you don't know if someone is trans and we have never checked genitals before allowing access to women's spaces. So, given we never did that: we must not actually care if they are there (i.e. we don't think about it or feel concern). Personally, I don't care at all if only transwomen use the space but there is no way at all to know they're genuine. Hence: gateway. Also.. prefer they sit down to urinate.. hate sharing public toilets with anyone who stands up to urinate. Women aren't supposed to have to worry about that in women's toilets.

As someone who has been put in a terrifying position on multiple occasions because no one questioned an actual man entering a women-only area, with no security or monitoring; it freaks me out that actual men won't be challenged because people aren't brave enough to enforce policy. Issue fines to staff who don't. Same as checking ID.

My fear is that this is being pushed to justify cameras in private spaces. Or to justify facial recognition in or around these spaces. We're on track for this. We need to push back.

To answer your question: an obvious transwoman is when it's clearly a man. We know what men look like, let's agree on that! Wearing a dress and a wig doesn't always work to make you look female.

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@RedToothBrush Any chance of a link to the raw data or report that graph you posted is from? I'd quite like to take a more detailed look - especially at the pattern over time.

I know. It's shocked me too.

In terms of how this translates to seats, Labour couldn't form a majority but could form a coalition government. The Conservatives however are unlikely to be able to form a coalition government even with Reform.

So as it stands it looks like a left wing coalition would likely be the next government but this doesn't really reflect the popular vote well.

There is, of course, a very long time before the next general election I suspect. All this talk of Burnham calling an early election is nuts precisely because he'd lose the large majority he has now.

At local level all they are interested in is NIMBY stuff. The disconnect between the national party and the local parties is utterly nuts. That's why you get a lot of people willing to vote LD at local level but not willing to vote for them at national.

It's like two completely different entities.

And don't get me started on the bullshit at local level.

Interesting polling today.

In recent years the Labour vote has been solid due to a high percentage of female voters. The swing vote being in the 35 - 60 range I believe.

But this polling suggests something has shifted and changed, possibly because we are now seeing a five party system emerging.

Males: Labour + LD + Green = 47%
Females: Labour + LD + Green = 44%

But the shift here ISN'T to the far right like some want to make out. It's to the centrist right.

This is a significant shift - a majority of women have been the core of the left vote for a number of years.

Its fascinating and it's surprised me.

The big question has to be 'why?'

The big YouGov MRP poll is out(there will be others from other polling companies over the next month or so). Lots of caveats, of course, but their central projection shows Lab unable to form a majority without both the LDs and one of the other smaller parties. As policy positions stand that makes it plausible that potential coalition partners insist on changes to EA 2010 as the price of support. LDs would be pulled that way by GPEW and SNP (the least likely coalition partner, I think), perhaps less so by PC.

Not a reassuring prospect and a reason to be very careful about crossing your fingers and supporting the LDs in a Westminster election, assuming they won't get a chance to meddle with equality law because Lab leaders aren't interested in spending political capital on such a divisive issue.