Lib Dem conference big vote on supporting women's rights tomorrow

I actually think the Lib Dems are ideologically committed to TWAW, it is not just a electioneering ploy.

Some years ago i came to the conclusion that they are perhaps the worst of the lot on this issue. They have this weird attitude about it.....which is thoroughly detached from reality. They see it as a liberal human rights issue ( but they forget that female people are also human and also have established rights). You cannot argue them around at all. They are immune.

Yes, the Liberals always had/have a good record on local issues, but on this issue they are a lost cause.

Lib Dems are like Quakers. Middle class, happy clappy and often with a startled look that makes them seem somehow a bit detached from reality. Too lost in nice ideas. No real passion.

I agree. Lib Dem MPs seemed to be the most enthusiastic singers of the EDM against the EHRC code of practice. I thought some of it was virtue signalling, but after watching the motion at the conference yet, I think there are a lot of true believers in the party.

It’s quite cushy as a Lib Dem politician. Ed Davey from the sidelines.

They’re ok apart from this, but a power sharing agreement where they do push this through is a whole other ball game.

Women have got so far with sheer effort. They’d throw it away.

A lot of LDs see liberalism as individual liberty - more to the point sexual liberty. But this is invariably a mens sexual rights position and to hell with whom that harms as a class.

There been a shift from understanding liberalism as discussing issues and coming to a balanced and compromised position through debate and understanding to understanding liberalism as a tick box of set fixed ideas which if you don't sign up to them without question, you are a raving fascist.

It is the betrayal of everything liberal in essence. It is authoritarian and controlling. It is anti debate and pro intimidation.

Remember that time it kicked off in 2018?
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3399104-Times-Lib-Dem-trans-activists-hounded-abuse-victim-Natalie-Bird-Article-refers-to-Zoe-OConnell-Sarah-Brown?page=1

They see it as a liberal human rights issue

But Ed Davey gives the impression that he only started thinking about the entire concept of human rights 30 seconds ago.

It's about liberal sexual freedom. Which usually is basically about men getting their legs over and cracking one off and not about the best interests of women.

They see it as a "human rights issue" that male people have the right to over-rule the rights of female people because female people are less important.

That's not a "human right" that's "patriarchy"

The complaints to the LDs about the conduct of certain transactivists that 'went missing' are a whole story in themselves.

The LDs denied that anyone quit the party or made a complaint in 2017/2018 about this subject.

That hippy free love experiment in the late 60s went the same way

Part of the trouble is that Davey is never challenged in a meaningful way about this. Ian Dale in the link upthread predictably asked about toilets. It would be much more revealing of he had asked why Davey thinks 12 year old girls should undress for swimming alongside a man of Davey's age? Or why he thinks the sex crimes of voyeurism and indecent exposure shouldn't apply to any man watching girls in a women's changing room.

It's always bloody toilets rather than criminal sex offences.

They'd be my perfect party if it wasn't for all this. 😂

Not just in the TRA space. I thought it was a great point in general.

Plus, if a woman with children does make time to be politically active in the interests of women and children, she is immediately vulnerable to an attack of "You say children are important but here you are leaving them without you so you can play politics".

Women aren't allowed to advocate for ourselves until we have done our duty by everyone else... which will never be done.

If there was a big push by the handmaidens to change the EA by hook or by crook, it would be great if KB could bring together a cross party supergroup to fight it. 😍

Or about men invading inappropriate groups because they are on a power trip and the group is otherwise irrelevant to them (see menopause or breastfeeding groups for example). It's about validation using women not transwomen being excluded as such. It's just not a fucking service for them.

I'd like Sharon Davies and Emma Nicholson please.

Yes. It's worth reminding ourselves that we're in a completely different place than we were 5 - 10 years ago. Transactivists will no longer be able to push things through behind closed doors.
Any challenge to the EA will be forensically challenged.
The dodgy conversion practices bill will meet major opposition from countless legally well informed LGB organisations. Along with all the child centred organisations who will ensure that the crap data it's based on and the Davey style bullshit opposed to safeguarding children is fully exposed.

The problem is ten years ago they gutted the party of most people who knew about this stuff in detail and were speaking out. So now it's all just robots nodding in agreement because they are all yes men.

I understand. I was thinking at a national level but I can't see how this would apply to the captured lib dems or the delusional greens.🙄

At local level all they are interested in is NIMBY stuff. The disconnect between the national party and the local parties is utterly nuts. That's why you get a lot of people willing to vote LD at local level but not willing to vote for them at national.

It's like two completely different entities.

And don't get me started on the bullshit at local level.

Related to both this thread and Green thread

The Law Is the Law. So Why Is Everyone Choosing Which Bits to Obey?
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5581334-the-law-is-the-law-so-why-is-everyone-choosing-which-bits-to-obey

The scary part is the law is the law now. Legislation can change it.

What does a Lib Dem “trans activist” look like?
I will not take any lessons on feminism from any organisation which dehumanises, misgenders and creates a false narrative around any marginalised group of people. In fact, I’ve noticed that many of the most unpleasantly noisy men in these organisations have been some of the greatest barriers to anything I’ve wanted to achieve on women’s rights over decades.
https://www.libdemvoice.org/what-does-a-lib-dem-trans-activist-look-like-80500.html

Open for comments if anyone is inclined or bothered.

God she's actually brain dead.

"I support trans people but I haven't got the first fucking clue about legislation and practical application of law. I just am a nice person"

Whoopie. Join the club. Except. Real world application.

Totally and utterly away with the fairies.

It's like watching someone doing English homework and totally missing the point hat you need to read the question very carefully and understand the entire paragraph properly.

"My feminism was born when I went to university and started to understand the structural inequalities facing women in a society that was run by men and working for men."

Good luck explaining structural inequalities facing women if legislation and policy can't distinguish sex.