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Thoughts on this academic paper about JKR?

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tuneafish · 20/09/2026 14:21

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19392397.2026.2660544

TRA talking points on JKR laundered into a research article. There's so much bullshit in there I don't even know where to start.

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MyDpsanarse · 21/09/2026 16:59

It makes you wonder what sort of a career they're hoping to have, a lot of people take Gender studies (and most can't get a job that reflects their degree) but I really can't see where Celebrity studies is going to take anyone, but then I'm old enough to remember when the vast majority of degrees led to the professions

TempestTost · 21/09/2026 17:28

MyThreeWords · 20/09/2026 17:38

I'm just starting, finally, to learn that 'academic' doesn't mean the same as it did a generation or so ago when I was a post-grad. The enshitification of undergraduate education that today's young people seem to feel forced to purchase at extremely poor value has produced a complete devaluing of the whole university sector at every level.

It's so hard for someone who was lucky enough to receive an adequate university education to really accept what the sector has become.

I find it kind of heartbreaking.

HartSeven · 21/09/2026 18:38

It's extremely poor work, badly written. I'm not shocked as I've come across so much of this dross. The authors of Trans Dross World constantly cite each other to make it seem like there's a solid body of academic research they're referring to but it's they same old nonsense all the way down. There's never the slightest attempt to define and explain terms properly, and they have no idea how to evaluate evidence or construct an argument. It's little more than fancified abuse. And as for examining their own biases, that's not a thought that would ever occur to them. University departments are under lots of stress these days, financial, global competition, AI - and while I used to work in one I am running out of sympathy when departments get abolished and lecturers made redundant. They've undermined themselves completely allowing this kind of garbage.

GrumpyPanda · 21/09/2026 20:37

It's a junk journal. Here's more data on it:

https://www.journalmetrics.org/journal/celebrity-studies

Northernlightsss · 21/09/2026 23:32

tuneafish · 20/09/2026 14:21

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19392397.2026.2660544

TRA talking points on JKR laundered into a research article. There's so much bullshit in there I don't even know where to start.

Maybe start on the disconnect between JKR's work & her private opinions.
She can't have it both ways being the point.

Whilst its one thing to be concerned about the practical logistics of competing rights between trans women & women its quite another to stereotype trans people as either confused tom boys or dangerous predators which her 'manifesto' implied.

JKR could have had it both ways by focusing on a civilised discussion about balancing rights but chose the path of dehumanisation & demonisation instead causing the disconnect.

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 22/09/2026 00:00

Northernlightsss · 21/09/2026 23:32

Maybe start on the disconnect between JKR's work & her private opinions.
She can't have it both ways being the point.

Whilst its one thing to be concerned about the practical logistics of competing rights between trans women & women its quite another to stereotype trans people as either confused tom boys or dangerous predators which her 'manifesto' implied.

JKR could have had it both ways by focusing on a civilised discussion about balancing rights but chose the path of dehumanisation & demonisation instead causing the disconnect.

Oh yes, all those trans activists organisations like Stonewall who were up for a civilized discussion on balancing rights.
I think you need to revisit your history from the last decade.
No debate was the norm.
Third spaces for trans and open categories on sports coils have been up for discussion. But I don't recall any TRAs prepared to even entertain the notion other than full permission for men to enter women's spaces, and zero discussion on the medicalization of teens.
Try not rewriting history in your aim to appear oh so reasonable as the sympathy of the public at large drifts irreversibly from your cause.

Northernlightsss · 22/09/2026 00:15

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 22/09/2026 00:00

Oh yes, all those trans activists organisations like Stonewall who were up for a civilized discussion on balancing rights.
I think you need to revisit your history from the last decade.
No debate was the norm.
Third spaces for trans and open categories on sports coils have been up for discussion. But I don't recall any TRAs prepared to even entertain the notion other than full permission for men to enter women's spaces, and zero discussion on the medicalization of teens.
Try not rewriting history in your aim to appear oh so reasonable as the sympathy of the public at large drifts irreversibly from your cause.

Edited

Whataboutery.

That trans activists don't believe their rights should be up for 'negotiation' is irrelevant to whether JKR has chosen the path of stereotyping to frame this discussion.

quantumbutterfly · 22/09/2026 01:43

GrumpyPanda · 21/09/2026 20:37

It's a junk journal. Here's more data on it:

https://www.journalmetrics.org/journal/celebrity-studies

Does that link really show there are 'journals' ranked lower? Surely the correct term would be comics.

Rollingpinofdoom · 22/09/2026 05:56

Northernlightsss · 22/09/2026 00:15

Whataboutery.

That trans activists don't believe their rights should be up for 'negotiation' is irrelevant to whether JKR has chosen the path of stereotyping to frame this discussion.

So what rights do trans activists believe they are missing that everyone else has? I mean, with the SC judgement, TIF get concrete maternity, pregnancy and abortion rights, and can now access female only RCC and refuges etc? That’s such a good thing no? They now have the same rights as every other female person. TIM also have the exact same rights as every other male. So what are TRA complaining about?

Northernlightsss · 22/09/2026 06:04

Rollingpinofdoom · 22/09/2026 05:56

So what rights do trans activists believe they are missing that everyone else has? I mean, with the SC judgement, TIF get concrete maternity, pregnancy and abortion rights, and can now access female only RCC and refuges etc? That’s such a good thing no? They now have the same rights as every other female person. TIM also have the exact same rights as every other male. So what are TRA complaining about?

The right to privacy (not being outed) & the right not to be 'othered' as some sort of third entity both of which are in violation of Human Rights law.

ArabellaScott · 22/09/2026 06:06

There is no third sex, you're quite right.

And people being 'outed' as the sex they are is unavoidable when we live in a world where people have bodies and interact with each other in any way.

Rollingpinofdoom · 22/09/2026 06:06

Northernlightsss · 22/09/2026 06:04

The right to privacy (not being outed) & the right not to be 'othered' as some sort of third entity both of which are in violation of Human Rights law.

But everyone has that right. Do you mean “outed” as in people seeing they are trans? But wouldn’t that presume either every transperson passes or that society should accept men can wear feminine presenting clothing but it does not mean they are trans? So you would get TIM wearing female coded clothing and mom TIM wearing female coded clothing but only some would be allowed in female spaces?

how would that work?

Northernlightsss · 22/09/2026 06:22

Given ambiguity in presentation exists as a consequence of biological diversity & medical intervention, observation isn't always accurate. Just ask the scores of natal women who have been harassed in public toilets for not being 'feminine' enough.

Outing violates fundamental human rights because it strips away personal autonomy, privacy, and safety. In communities with high levels of prejudice being outed can expose an individual to targeted violence, harassment, and hate crimes. Unwanted disclosure frequently leads to job termination, housing eviction, and complete social or familial ostracization. Forced disclosure can trigger severe trauma, anxiety, depression, and heightened risks of suicidality.

Deciding when, how, and to whom to disclose one’s identity is an essential exercise of human dignity and self-determination. Taking that choice away is a form of coercion and control.

ArabellaScott · 22/09/2026 06:24

You are working very hard to try to suggest that men should be allowed to use womens spaces and services.

Sorry, but no.

Rollingpinofdoom · 22/09/2026 06:27

Northernlightsss · 22/09/2026 06:22

Given ambiguity in presentation exists as a consequence of biological diversity & medical intervention, observation isn't always accurate. Just ask the scores of natal women who have been harassed in public toilets for not being 'feminine' enough.

Outing violates fundamental human rights because it strips away personal autonomy, privacy, and safety. In communities with high levels of prejudice being outed can expose an individual to targeted violence, harassment, and hate crimes. Unwanted disclosure frequently leads to job termination, housing eviction, and complete social or familial ostracization. Forced disclosure can trigger severe trauma, anxiety, depression, and heightened risks of suicidality.

Deciding when, how, and to whom to disclose one’s identity is an essential exercise of human dignity and self-determination. Taking that choice away is a form of coercion and control.

So why don’t we normalise men wearing female coded clothes? I mean women already often wear male coded clothes and no one bats an eye. That way, no one will ever have to know the gender identity of the person wearing the clothes, they’ll just assume it’s a man who likes wearing female coded clothes. So trans people will not be “outed” and will feel more comfortable using the facilities for their sex. Everyone wins.
where are these “scores of women” being confronted for not being feminine? Are you saying every woman who doesn’t wear dresses and makeup are being confronted in female spaces? Really? I think you might be er….. a bit light in the truth there.

Northernlightsss · 22/09/2026 06:34

Rollingpinofdoom · 22/09/2026 06:27

So why don’t we normalise men wearing female coded clothes? I mean women already often wear male coded clothes and no one bats an eye. That way, no one will ever have to know the gender identity of the person wearing the clothes, they’ll just assume it’s a man who likes wearing female coded clothes. So trans people will not be “outed” and will feel more comfortable using the facilities for their sex. Everyone wins.
where are these “scores of women” being confronted for not being feminine? Are you saying every woman who doesn’t wear dresses and makeup are being confronted in female spaces? Really? I think you might be er….. a bit light in the truth there.

No one "bats an eye" do they? Maybe not in your 'bubble'.

www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/12/ive-been-spat-on-gender-non-conforming-women-tell-of-toilet-abuse-in-aftermath-of-supreme-court-ruling

Rollingpinofdoom · 22/09/2026 06:38

So JM wife (not really an impartial party) and one woman. Nor exactly scores. . Maybe then in that case, normalising wearing clothes coded for the other sex is an even better idea, it’ll stop this happening also. See, everyone wins. Even women, which might annoy you but every cloud etc….

Igneococcus · 22/09/2026 06:39

I thought it was only us six TERFs from FWR who are mean to transpeople, everybody else on the planet is just lovely and welcoming and loves them to pee in the next cubicle while handing tampons to each other. So, why is outing a problem?
A man in a dress coming into the woman's toilet outs himself really. You have to be spectacularly deluded to think the vast majority of transwomen can't be recognized as male with one quick glance.

OffWith · 22/09/2026 06:40

I used to have such misplaced trust in academics over a decade ago.

Northernlightsss · 22/09/2026 06:52

Rollingpinofdoom · 22/09/2026 06:38

So JM wife (not really an impartial party) and one woman. Nor exactly scores. . Maybe then in that case, normalising wearing clothes coded for the other sex is an even better idea, it’ll stop this happening also. See, everyone wins. Even women, which might annoy you but every cloud etc….

There are numerous articles on the issue of butch women reporting being harassed that you can google as this is just one of many.

But good luck with the 'normalising' caper given gender critical 'feminists' are in the front line of using such language as 'cross dressers' 'woman face' & 'men in dresses' to describe people wearing "clothes coded for the other sex".

Rollingpinofdoom · 22/09/2026 07:04

Northernlightsss · 22/09/2026 06:52

There are numerous articles on the issue of butch women reporting being harassed that you can google as this is just one of many.

But good luck with the 'normalising' caper given gender critical 'feminists' are in the front line of using such language as 'cross dressers' 'woman face' & 'men in dresses' to describe people wearing "clothes coded for the other sex".

but they would be men in dresses. That is accurate. They are men who like to wear female coded clothes. The one criteria to be a TIM is to be a man. Women cannot be TIM.
why are you so invested in making prisons mixed sex? Surely if TIM are in danger in male prisons, putting them in mixed sex prisons with the very males they are afraid of would not be an improvement? Or are you saying only some males should be allowed into female prisons? Why?

ArabellaScott · 22/09/2026 07:10

How should one describe a man wearing a dress?

Igneococcus · 22/09/2026 07:22

ArabellaScott · 22/09/2026 07:10

How should one describe a man wearing a dress?

As a woman of course, Arabella.

Wowthatwasabigstep · 22/09/2026 07:48

ArabellaScott · 22/09/2026 07:10

How should one describe a man wearing a dress?

As a man, with a fetish and somebody who should not have access to women’s and girls spaces.

EmmyFr · 22/09/2026 08:45

ArabellaScott · 22/09/2026 07:10

How should one describe a man wearing a dress?

As a True Scotsman

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