Another Pelicot in Manchester

The trial of 12 other men allegedly involved is continuing.

One of them is a paramedic in the North West.

Its just awful. Monsters.

It's just horrific.

No words.

Just when I think I can't be shocked again. How can there be this many cases? How can there be so many men who do this? It's horrific.

Its sick. I would like the husband named and shamed (but understand it’s to protect her anonymity).

Over 20 years! Poor woman. Just appalling

Absolutely horrendous. That poor woman. How do so many men like this exist.

What the fuck is up with all these men?
My gods, Germaine Greer was right.

Both my husband and I are shocked at how common this is working out. He actually said Christ how is this such a common thing. It’s utterly mind boggling.

Yes.

Fucking hell.

My thoughts with this poor woman.

I'm just so aghast and appalled that these cases seem to be happening so often. How the fuck can it be stopped?

I hate to say it but it makes me more and more wary of men in general. So many involved in the Pelicot case, from a fairly small geographical area. Its abhorrent. What is wrong with them?

There's a significant subsection of men who are utterly depraved. May the bastards rot in prison and the woman they abused heal in all possible ways.

'The 12 other men, who deny all of the charges against them, are:

• Karl Lindsay, 56, the former chief executive of Taunton Town FC.

• Daniel Rayner, 42, from Whitstable, Kent.

• David Graves, 59, from Derbyshire.

• Jonathan Kirk, 43, a senior paramedic from the Stockport area.

• Graham Brougham, 74, from Northwich, Cheshire.

• Philip Wild, 58, who used to own a taxi service and is from the Stockport area.

• Mohammed Sabir, 28, a recruitment consultant from the Stockport area.

• Sean Peers, 38, from the Stockport area.

• Jordan Wallace, 31, from Manchester.

• Alan Keelan, 42, who used to coach an under-16s football team and is from Greater Manchester.

• Richard Townsend, 37, from Greater Manchester.

• Robert Stewart, 70, from the Stockport area, who denies conspiracy to rape and two counts of rape.'

I remember reading about this previously, when the other men involved were all first accused. Can anyone remember how it came to light? It really is absolutely terrifying. How can they do this?

Urgh. The list of men who were also apparently complicit.

How many men are depraved? How many men are happy and willing to rape?

I vowed six years ago never to go near another man ever again. Best decision I ever made.

Absolutely sickening. Are men getting worse or is it just that more of them get caught now/we hear more about it because of the 24 hour news cycle?

My thoughts are with the victim. 20 years! I hope she can heal or find a way to live with some degree of peace.

It's so horrible.

There must be so many more cases. The sheer number of sick men obsessed with doing this means there must be many more victims.

He needs a whole life order for this.

From what little I've read, the internet is facilitating the abuse.

Men with these grotesque interests are able to network.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2026/jul/02/international-network-drug-facilitated-rape-uncovered-by-uk-crime-agency

'Since it began investigating an online forum in October last year, the NCA has identified more than 270 individuals linked to that forum and its successors.
Nigel Leary, the NCA’s deputy director, said it had disseminated more than 210 “intelligence packages” relating to suspects and potential victims to law enforcement partners in the UK and overseas, with more than 90% of those being sent abroad.
Leary said: “We believe we have uncovered a truly international network with group members identified in dozens of countries spanning every continent.” He said domestically the intelligence packages had resulted in at least 14 separate investigations, with eight victim-survivors safeguarded.
He said online platforms were “enabling and supporting direct offending”.
“We’ve seen users actively engaging with other like-minded individuals discussing in graphic detail how they want to drug their victims to commit the most heinous sexual abuse,” Leary said.
“Discussions include inviting other people to take part in the sexual assaults, seeking advice on the best drugs or sedatives to use and how to administer them, asking for specific abuse to be conducted and filmed, and also coordinating offending, arranging to rape and abuse victims, sharing methodologies and developing tactics to avoid detection.
“In many of the cases we’ve seen so far, individuals have become victims of sexual assault crimes while sedated,” he said, adding that people may not even be aware it had happened.
Leary said the scale of what investigating officers had seen so far was “deeply concerning”, and that this was “no longer isolated behaviour, but increasingly organised”.
“Intelligence indicates there have been, and are other groups, many as yet unidentified by law enforcement, still involved in this type of offending,” he said, adding that cases were “almost certainly under-detected and under-reported”.'

That’s terrifying Arabella.

It is. I’ve said before on MN, I now think the proportion of males who are a threat is massively more than I've mistakenly assumed for much of my life. And the worry is that things are getting worse, not better, fuelled of course by the internet.

I've met this paramedic through work.

Not all men they tell us...

And there's another layer of victims - the families of those men.