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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton, following Employment Tribunal judgment - thread #62

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nauticant · 03/08/2026 18:00

Judgment was handed down on 8 December 2025:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6936ce28a6fc97b81e57436a/S_Peggie_v_Fife_Health_Board__Dr_Upton.pdf

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence was 29 July 2025. It resumed again over 1 to 2 September for closing submissions.
Following handing down of the judgment on 8 December 2025, on 11 December 2025, it was announced by Sandie Peggie and her legal team that they would be pursuing an appeal and it was reported on 3 August 2026 that leave to appeal had been granted with an expectation that the appeal proceedings could take place in court early next year (2027).

The hearing was live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6.

Links to previous threads #1 to #60 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 60: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5461133-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-60 16 December 2025 to 8 January 2026

Thread 61: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5472628-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-61 8 January 2026 to 3 August 2026

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NebulousSupportPostcard · 07/08/2026 17:22

Currently, no claims are upheld against Upton, and he will likely have worked in Australia for over a year before the appeal decisions are made. He will need to keep his head down and work hard, and that will probably not be easy for him, but he will not suffer in the short term.

NebulousSupportPostcard · 07/08/2026 17:18

The GMC only has jurisdiction in the UK, and doctors can and do work abroad while suspended here. His family seem to be wealthy and connected, and can no doubt hire him a lawyer if needed. Eg: mdsuk.org/suspension/

porridgecake · 07/08/2026 15:41

From a quick google:
UK "strike off" (erasure from the General Medical Council register) does not automatically result in an automatic strike off in Australia. Medical registration is handled independently by country. However, the Australian regulator (Ahpra) will be notified or investigate, and they can choose to suspend or cancel the doctor's Australian registration based on that misconduct.
I assume he would have to be registered in Australia, in order to practice. I am not convinced Australia would be bothered, which is presumably why he went there.

Hoardasurass · 07/08/2026 15:40

porridgecake · 07/08/2026 15:37

I hope he does get struck off.

Thats my aim. After what he said in that tribunal about treating non consenting women imho he belongs in jail not working in a hospital

porridgecake · 07/08/2026 15:37

Hoardasurass · 07/08/2026 15:34

If he loses his medical licence even for a couple of months they will care as he wont be able to practice medicine anywhere in the world and it'll make his visa invalid

I hope he does get struck off.

Hoardasurass · 07/08/2026 15:34

porridgecake · 07/08/2026 15:27

Australia won't care. Their government is fully supportive of "any man can be a woman if he says so". They really do mean any man, no matter how much a woman may not want him near her.

If he loses his medical licence even for a couple of months they will care as he wont be able to practice medicine anywhere in the world and it'll make his visa invalid

porridgecake · 07/08/2026 15:27

Hedgehogforshort · 05/08/2026 19:32

Go girl/woman !!!

Australia won't care. Their government is fully supportive of "any man can be a woman if he says so". They really do mean any man, no matter how much a woman may not want him near her.

KnottyAuty · 06/08/2026 00:12

Late to the catch up - but reporting for duty!

2023 original event in changing room. Then about a year to the ET. And now another 2 years after that to the EAT?! Blimey that seems harsh for all involved to endure the waiting

Hedgehogforshort · 05/08/2026 19:32

Hoardasurass · 05/08/2026 19:26

I live in fife and the A&E at the vic is the only A&E in fife so I have skin in this. I've also had wonderful care for my son from sandie Peggie and am very angry about this and the way the hospital protected and enabled him along with the GMC so whilst he may no longer work in Scotland I want to make sure that hes never in a position to treat an unconsenting women or treat another member of staff the way he has sandie.
I also know that if we can get him struck off or suspended it will protect Australian women too

Go girl/woman !!!

Hoardasurass · 05/08/2026 19:26

WrongKindOfFeminist · 05/08/2026 19:15

Oh, how very strange. Thanks, very much, for your persistence.

I live in fife and the A&E at the vic is the only A&E in fife so I have skin in this. I've also had wonderful care for my son from sandie Peggie and am very angry about this and the way the hospital protected and enabled him along with the GMC so whilst he may no longer work in Scotland I want to make sure that hes never in a position to treat an unconsenting women or treat another member of staff the way he has sandie.
I also know that if we can get him struck off or suspended it will protect Australian women too

WrongKindOfFeminist · 05/08/2026 19:15

Hoardasurass · 05/08/2026 19:08

Still refusing to take them because the case is still being litigated. (I've resubmitted mine several times now and will keep doing so until they accept it)

Oh, how very strange. Thanks, very much, for your persistence.

MassiveWordSalad · 05/08/2026 19:10

Hedgehogforshort · 03/08/2026 23:04

I just pissed myself off. The analogue i should have referred to is Sygourney Weaver, Aliens.

Like this? (When it loads 😁)

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Hoardasurass · 05/08/2026 19:08

Newname26 · 04/08/2026 17:56

What's the latest with the complaints to the GMC about Upton?

Still refusing to take them because the case is still being litigated. (I've resubmitted mine several times now and will keep doing so until they accept it)

Hedgehogforshort · 05/08/2026 18:57

ickky · 05/08/2026 17:20

Stockholm syndrome?

It does make me laugh on other tribunal threads when someone asks who wants to do it. This is me and I suspect a few others when it comes up.

Seriously though, it is much appreciated.

Yes but you have helped me in paticular out a lot, posting links at my request so thanks to you too.

I am an SM idiot.

ickky · 05/08/2026 17:20

nauticant · 05/08/2026 16:30

No recurring dreams for this one. Perhaps I'm reconciled to this being my fate.

Stockholm syndrome?

It does make me laugh on other tribunal threads when someone asks who wants to do it. This is me and I suspect a few others when it comes up.

Seriously though, it is much appreciated.

matt groening GIF
AimsAndObjectives · 05/08/2026 17:16

SqueakyDinosaur · 05/08/2026 17:12

Nadia Whittome, MP and idiot, has written a bleaty article saying what a dark day it is for trans rights (the EHRC guidance comes into force today) and posted it on X.

My favourite response to it: "They could perform gender-affirming surgery on every male in Britain and still not produce a bigger pile of bollocks than you did when you wrote that article."

😂😂😂

SqueakyDinosaur · 05/08/2026 17:12

Nadia Whittome, MP and idiot, has written a bleaty article saying what a dark day it is for trans rights (the EHRC guidance comes into force today) and posted it on X.

My favourite response to it: "They could perform gender-affirming surgery on every male in Britain and still not produce a bigger pile of bollocks than you did when you wrote that article."

nauticant · 05/08/2026 16:30

ickky · 04/08/2026 17:56

For the RCN next month is there a way to watch this one?

Does anyone know?

Thank you @nauticant Have the thread is nearly full nightmares started again?

No recurring dreams for this one. Perhaps I'm reconciled to this being my fate.

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MyrtleLion · 05/08/2026 16:12

I think he ran away to Australia because he wouldn’t be able to get work here and because they are convinced men can be women.

CrocsNotDocs · 05/08/2026 01:08

spannasaurus · 04/08/2026 19:26

Does any know if having an outstanding judgment like this would cause any issues with renewing a work visa in Australia

If he gets a judgement against him, I will be sure to write to the relevant Australian authorities. My aunt has dementia and is in care in Kempsey. Kempsey hospital is one of his hospitals so I think I have skin in the game. My aunt has gyno issues and I would want her to have female only care for this.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/08/2026 23:08

MyAquaOP · 04/08/2026 18:46

Apologies if I missed it flipping through the end of this and the last thread...

But does anyone know or have a link to these 13 areas Sandie is appealing?

Edited

I haven’t seen one but would like to know too. I imagine Sandie’s team might publish their skeleton argument before the hearing but might be a while.

MyAmpleSheep · 04/08/2026 23:02

spannasaurus · 04/08/2026 19:26

Does any know if having an outstanding judgment like this would cause any issues with renewing a work visa in Australia

Unlikely. It might make it harder to get a credit card or mortgage though.

moto748e · 04/08/2026 20:53

This is Australia we are talking about, though. Just ask Sall Grover.

YourWatermelonship · 04/08/2026 19:51

Yes, quite, @spannasaurus

Any employer worth their salt would want to know if a prospective employee has an outstanding tribunal against them.

Especially when it involves making up allegations of misconduct in order to destroy colleagues' careers

spannasaurus · 04/08/2026 19:26

MyAmpleSheep · 04/08/2026 18:26

SP would still have to enforce the judgment though; Australian debt collection process. It wouldn’t be trivial. Or cheap. It’s difficult enough to collect on a judgment in the UK, sometimes.

Does any know if having an outstanding judgment like this would cause any issues with renewing a work visa in Australia

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