STOP MIS GENDERING ME JUST SAY SHE

I am in Aus and waiting for kids to get ready for school before I go to work. This is a nice diversion before the day starts 😀

This is such a ridiculous bad faith take on FWR, not accurate at all in any way.

You may as well just stomp your (possibly man sized foot) and scream into the void "Damn those pesky women with their reality, facts and well worded arguments! Why won't they just nod, smile, and agree to let men do what they want?"😂

Anyone else having Cloudflare issues? It keeps logging me out.

Might have to try a different device.

Will be a while, no doubt. Good luck with The Law and all!

Most children will grow out of believing they are trans given time. It’s why watchful waiting is recommended. It’s ok to say you understand they feel this way but it’s important to understand the why through talking therapy.

The idea that a child should be set on a path of lifelong medicalisation, possible sterilisation and mutilation of healthy tissues in affirmation of an idea they may very well grow out of given time and support is abhorrent.

@DetectiveDouche the protected characteristic, afforded in the GRA, and the EQA puts certain duties (with limitation and exceptions) on public bodies and services.

It does not apply to individuals at all, outside of workplaces or as service providers.

As a matter of law i am perfectly entitled to express offensive opinions about, race, religion, sexuality and political views.

it is called freedom of speech.

And as for mumsnet and this board, you may not know this, but it is the main forum for organising activism, to prevent curtailing freedom of speech and legally challenge the excessive activities of genderism, and silencing women.

Poo poo us all you like, we are not just well informed, we are organised in an ad hoc way and are a force to be reckoned with, seeing to it that women can stand up for our collective rights, in our courts and on our streets.

so you can come on here and snivel to the alter of genderism until the cows come home all you like.

It has no effect no power just a load of boo hoo.

oh and menopausal woman , my arse.

It hasn’t logged me out but the app was playing up a bit, so I used the mobile site while that was happening.

Cool, I imagine there will be some late night posts (uk time)

It was plain old Google actually Bridget. Thanks for the congrats tho.. it means such a lot when people are being such "meanies" 🤣

Mumsnet is a dangerous place. I am a middle-class, educated, middle-aged woman. 7-8 years ago I was on here arguing for the other side. I didn’t believe people could change sex, but I was all “be kind”, “most vulnerable”.

Mumsnet radicalised me 😀. Do I get a T-shirt?

I like to think I’d have eventually recognised gender ideology for the regressive, misogynistic tripe it is though.

Some people have their heads in the sand. These are real situations. This is real life. There are grey areas. They might not be comfortable for you all, but they are there.

Can you give an example of a “grey area” as it pertains to gender ideology?

is it possible to get mumsnet to verify this i wonder? Although I absolutely can't believe it matters that much. But they will obviously be able to see that I have been posting for very many years.

I can't believe it's not believable that I'm a 54-year-old menopausal woman just because I don't agree with you. That's a scary concept.. people don't always agree you know that right?

Mate. Come back to me when you have done your homework and can debate the issues properly. I think we are a little past Google level pretend play here.

You can brush up on why it's all JKRowlings fault whilst you are at it. I'm sure all the answers can be well sourced off a reputable website.

We'll just play plopper bingo whilst you think you are being dead clever.

One day someone will come along with an original argument won't they?

Anyway as I say goodnight.

It's not difficult. It's just not comfortable for you for some reason. So l, there is female and there is male.. and in the world you wish to habit, females are absolutely female and feel female and males are absolutely male and feel male. Them there are those that absolutely genuinely feel trapped in a body that they in no way identify with. Despite how you object to this, it is the cases. You don't like this concept I realise and I sympathise with you having to imagine this grey area. But there is. A very simplified version, admittedly.

Do you think there ever will be a decent argument? It’s been such a long time and none of the genderists have yet managed one. We can see the efforts on this thread.

Mate. It's the Equality Act 2010. I didn't pull it out of my arse.. or a work of magical fiction

I'm not middle class either and I've generally observed that it's mainly working class women who are at the sharp end of this ideology. And who, therefore, are most likely to disagree with it.

in the world you wish to habit, females are absolutely female and feel female and males are absolutely male and feel male

No. Absolutely not. There's no "feeling" anything in the GC world. There's just "being". Women are women, men are men, all of them can feel anything they want, and can perform gender in any way they wish.

This "feeling" thing is purely gender ideology. It doesn't exist outside of it. You can't impose it on a system where it doesn't exist.

You do realise that most of us don’t believe in lady feels? You’ve significantly misunderstood what women here think. We don’t only not believe that a lady gendered soul can turn up in the wrong body, we don’t actually believe in gendered souls at all! A shocker, I know.

Mumsnet (but actually FWR) views are misrepresented. If only posters would read the threads, read the arguments, engage in discussions they’d see this.

Posters don’t say it is ‘wrong’ to be trans. There is a lot of sympathy for worried family members who don’t want their children falling for an ideology that tells them they’ve been born in the wrong body.

It is ‘wrong’ for men to think they can access women’s spaces by declaring themselves female. I think you also see that as wrong?

It is perfectly okay to call men ‘he’ on these threads and this is often important. For correct data collection and in the case of the young man in the video, those attending needed to know the person was an out of control male for obvious reasons. I don’t like using ’preferred pronouns’ because I don’t like being forced to collude with another person’s denial of reality and because it feels controlling but I’ll just avoid using them full stop.

And no one here believes trauma is meaningless.

Many believe trauma exactly explains why some young people identify as being transgender. Tavistock found high numbers of young people having been in care, or sexually abused or having abusive parents or being autistic as identifying as trans.

However, lying to someone that they can change sex, that removing physically healthy body parts, that taking life altering medications that makes the young person permanently infertile or sterile is not the right answer to the trauma. Support, helping them to accept their sexed body is a better approach.

Well, this thread is a corker.

I looked at the video. Mentally unwell man. Pronouns are the least of his issues.

@DetectiveDouche Your very username suggests you are not a woman and your use of language suggests you are not from the UK.

FYI you have no idea who we are, for all you know i could be JKR or her Bessie mate. Plenty of very known people hang out here.

We don't out ourselves because of people like you.

Yep.