Cameron Diaz “has third child” aged 53

Me too. There is a gay Instagram influencer couple, who wanted "twins" and went to Mexico to have two surrogates impregnated at the same time. Just so wrong.

Because men who do it are called perverted, or sugar daddies. There is often a yuk response to it. When I was young it was called cradle snatching. But if a woman does it there is much less criticism. As I said earlier, the fact that we have women in their 50s having children because they are with younger partners indicates that they are at different stages of their lives. Having to go to extreme lengths to provide that child, to me, only proves it to be the case.

Can Dr Robert Winston please come to the thread and repeat the data on the success rates of egg freezing? Keeping in mind that Diaz did not carry the baby herself and success rates are lower when you are not using your own egg.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51463488

We should not only consider the woman exploited to carry her baby, we should also consider how many attempts it took to get a baby to term. If she was using her own frozen eggs (rather than frozen embryos) the chances of success are significantly lower - this makes it ethically potentially actually worst given her age - because it's likely to have taken more attempts and therefore strain on various other women's bodies who don't end up with a baby to show for it.

There seems to be this idea that it's somehow better if a prospective parent uses their own eggs in a surrogacy. This isn't true because it carries more risk to the mother to use any eggs that are not her own and it obviously involves more invasive procedures.

We should not be promoting these fuzzy rose tinted concepts of where there is somehow a 'more deserving' surrogacy. All people who use surrogates, however nice they may otherwise be, abandon moral consideration and ethics and thought for anyone but themselves when they engage in human trafficking, exploit another vulnerable woman and buy a baby.

I don’t agree with surrogacy but I am interested in this unexpected surge of gay men wanting babies. This was not a thing in previous generations. Is it a lifestyle affectation?

@Womenz options were probably limited, adoption only for M/F couples, surrogacy not a thing

Why is it an 'affectation' for a man to want a child?

So her husband is 5 years older than her son?

@Luddite26 we are not talking about absent parents. OF COURSE there are going to be dads, and mums (!!!) who are awful, in which case said child would probably be better off without them.

We are talking about PURPOSEFULLY bringing a child into the world where they have zero chance of a relationship with a father, whether they are good or bad, who knows, because all he did was donate sperm, and so that's that. Even worse is when the father is a complete unknown and said child will NEVER have the chance to find out half of their genetic make up. Can you imagine how that feels?

You can't predict how people might turn out to be as a parent. But from conception, wiping out one parent, is not a good parenting choice in my book. I think it's incredibly selfish. The child WILL have issues, and you are doing it knowing that.

Apparently! 🙄

Er yes @LondonTipton99 I do know how it feels to not know your genetic makeup I met my shit absent sperm donor father when I was 28. So half my life without knowing it and a meeting doesn't actually get you to 'know' it.

We banned slavery (the buying of human beings) because it was an abhorrent practice. Some people at the time didn't see anything wrong with it.

When rich women start being surrogates for poor women with no financial recompense, I might change my mind and not think it's exploitive, but it's still not in the best interests of newborns to be taken away from their mothers unless there's a very good reason.

I didn't say it did. I'm not sure of your point sorry. We might even be on the same page...

Why man and his wife (belonging to)? You meant 47 year old and man and 53 year old woman I think

Runs off totally missing the point

I couldn't even see an article that mentioned surrogacy at all.

All three children of Cameron Diaz and Benji Madden were born using a surrogate.

That fact is used as advertising by this surrogacy agency in the US.

https://www.acrcglobal.com/post/cameron-diaz-welcomes-third-baby-via-surrogacy-what-intended-parents-can-learn

Hardly surprising when the children were born when she was 47, 51 and 53.

Presumably she's also paying another underprivileged woman to do the night waking and the poonamis and to just generally be on call when the relentless needs of a newborn get overwhelming. It's nothing like what a normal non-celebrity would experience.

I’m 52, still have regular periods and am peri.

Your chances of conceiving and carrying a healthy newborn to term are close to none. At age 52, you have very few eggs left and about 90-95% will be chromosonally abnormal. Even with IVF, your chances would be slim to none.

I thought that, I doubt she’s getting up through the night.

what about if you adopt at 53?
I adopted aged 50 . Is that selfish and vile ?

It's using another woman's body that's vile.

yes you will get no argument from me there

It's grossly transactional and acquistional. I dont use the word 'evil' generally, but I would for buying babies. These people are dead in their hearts.

No, you adopted, provided a child with a home, gave them a family, a child that already existed and needed those things. Surrogacy is renting a woman’s body and buying the resulting baby.

Adopting is pretty much the opposite of surrogacy.