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Cameron Diaz “has third child” aged 53

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Namingbaba · 06/05/2026 17:00

It worries me that some people just read headlines like this and think all these women have children naturally. At least that’s the impression I got from reading the comments on this story. The surrogacy sometimes isn’t even mentioned.

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flapjackfairy · 09/08/2026 13:34

ILoveAGingerCat · 09/08/2026 11:22

It's nothing like saying a firefighter is the same as an arsonist.

Both situations result in a baby being removed from its birth mother.

At least with surrogacy, the woman plans to have the baby often with the couple's egg and sperm, and knows she will be giving it to them.

Adoption is a woman forced to give her baby away because of various reasons, sometimes financial, sometimes practical, sometimes because family force it.

Behind every couple who are delighted at their new little adopted bundle of joy, lies a devastated birth mother who had to give up her baby.

How anyone can say adoption is better than surrogacy just baffles me.

And most likely removed because the birth mother cannot care for it. That can be for many reasons such as addiction, dangerous partner , inability to care safely etc etc.
Children in the UK are not removed lightly.
Adoption is about keeping an existing child safe and surrogacy is about creating a child for an adults benefit and causing harm to.them in the process.
World's apart

flapjackfairy · 09/08/2026 13:36

And most likely removed because the birth mother cannot care for it. That can be for many reasons such as addiction, dangerous partner , inability to care safely etc etc.
Children in the UK are not removed lightly.
Adoption is about keeping an existing child safe and surrogacy is about creating a child for an adults benefit and causing harm to.them in the process.
World's apart

sittingonabeach · 09/08/2026 13:50

ILoveAGingerCat · 09/08/2026 11:13

Exactly. Despite all the hatred and loathing for surrogacy on Mumsnet (from some) adoption is not much different.

They are worlds apart as surrogacy you plan to cause that trauma for a child just to become a parent. Not thinking of the resultant child at all

With adoption the child is already in existence and so what is in the best interests of that child has to be thought about.

I can’t understand why people can’t see the difference

MoreDangerousThanAWomanScorned · 09/08/2026 13:56

flapjackfairy · 09/08/2026 13:34

And most likely removed because the birth mother cannot care for it. That can be for many reasons such as addiction, dangerous partner , inability to care safely etc etc.
Children in the UK are not removed lightly.
Adoption is about keeping an existing child safe and surrogacy is about creating a child for an adults benefit and causing harm to.them in the process.
World's apart

I wouldn't bother. I and others have already tried to explain to that poster how ridiculously inaccurate their understand of adoption is and they, perhaps unsurprising, don't acknowledge or interact with those posts.

Blondeshavemorefun · 09/08/2026 18:16

ILoveAGingerCat · 09/08/2026 11:19

The chances of a woman carrying to full term is so breathtakingly low that it doesn't even register. It is virtually zero per cent.

Women have not historically had babies in their 50s. In the vast VAST majority of cases, women in their 50s took on their daughter or niece's baby that she had out of wedlock, and raised it as her own. Great Granny Fanny, and Great Auntie Lulu, did NOT have uncle John and Auntie Pam when they were 52-55 years old!

Stop spreading myths and inaccurate information. Women in their mid 50s are NOT having babies naturally. 99.99% of them are not even 'catching' pregnant, and the very very VERY few who are, are not going to full term and having the baby!

It would be interesting to know the age of the oldest woman to conceive naturally in the UK

Lins77 · 09/08/2026 19:11

Blondeshavemorefun · 09/08/2026 18:16

It would be interesting to know the age of the oldest woman to conceive naturally in the UK

According to Google:

The oldest recorded British woman to conceive and give birth naturally is Dawn Brooke, who had a baby boy at the age of 59 on August 20, 1997. She conceived the child accidentally after unexpectedly ovulating past her last normal period.

edited to say: I am 58 and I am 100% certain this will not be happening to me!!

Lalgarh · 17/09/2026 10:12

Just been on the news that Kena Dunham has had a child via surrogacy.

So I guess that means something important about millennial / 3rd wave feminism since it involves her but I'm not sure what

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2026/sep/16/lena-dunham-baby-girl

Girls creator Lena Dunham welcomes baby girl delivered via surrogate

Writer and actor, 40, had long struggled with endometriosis before undergoing total hysterectomy at age 31

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2026/sep/16/lena-dunham-baby-girl

Blondeshavemorefun · 17/09/2026 12:46

I can’t read that as not subscriber

INeedAPensieve · 17/09/2026 12:46

Lalgarh · 17/09/2026 10:12

Just been on the news that Kena Dunham has had a child via surrogacy.

So I guess that means something important about millennial / 3rd wave feminism since it involves her but I'm not sure what

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2026/sep/16/lena-dunham-baby-girl

Yeah I saw that too. I'm also following the story of the surrogate who refused to abort when heart issues were discovered; it's just something that doesn't sit right with me (the buying of a baby to have it immediately removed from its birth mother). In certain circumstances, surrogacy perhaps for a loved relative with full care/continued bonding etc with the baby, but not commercial surrogacy whatsoever. Taking babies away from the mother who grew them isn't even something we would do to our pet animals.

I'm surprised Lena has done this - being a feminist I mean.

Geeseofbeverlyroad · 17/09/2026 12:55

Lena Dunham is a huge disappointment with this. I have read her book Famesick and understand her issues in this area. In fact she had IVF by herself before her hysterectomy. She says that a baby is all that she wanted. However I would hope that she could see the impact on other women in regards to this. She has written an awful piece in Vogue saying that she loved building a wardrobe for the baby!

Adoption is not an easy route but I do think of Harriet Dyer and Patrick Brammall from Colin from Accounts who have adopted 2 children. They actually stand out in modern celebrity for adoption not surrogacy.

GingerBeverage · 17/09/2026 13:36

I expect Selena Gomez to buy a baby in the next couple of years.

GreyskySexRealistsky · 17/09/2026 13:45

Lalgarh · 17/09/2026 10:12

Just been on the news that Kena Dunham has had a child via surrogacy.

So I guess that means something important about millennial / 3rd wave feminism since it involves her but I'm not sure what

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2026/sep/16/lena-dunham-baby-girl

"delivered via surrogate" is a repulsive and mechanical use of words

a horrible depersonalising expression

NoisyBuilder · 17/09/2026 14:17

I'm surprised Lena has done this - being a feminist I mean.

I don't know it you were being tongue in cheek, but I'm not surprised in the slightest. Lena's feminism is inclusive.

And by that I mean it 'includes' whatever Lena fancies, such as males and commodifying female bodies to make bespoke babies for rich people. A pick and mix of values.

Lalgarh · 17/09/2026 15:06

Uh, typo in my post.

Yes. She'd actually written about "Rejecting the fertility industrial complex" before.

Lalgarh · 17/09/2026 16:34

Geeseofbeverlyroad · 17/09/2026 12:59

Genuinely is more about the shopping opportunities she now has.

Baby arrived 13 days overdue. Cripes that's more than me at 5

MoreDangerousThanAWomanScorned · 18/09/2026 09:27

That article is horrific. It's superficially honouring the surrogate, but is so incredibly dismissive of the reality

After the transfer, which was as brief as a child’s strep test and infinitely less dramatic, the doctor told us he would do a pregnancy test in 10 days.

But she was preparing herself, inside our surrogate’s strong and healthy body

Scans, assurances about a normal heartbeat and some babies just coming in their own time.

I was so focused on our surrogate—in awe at her concentration, her period of quiet followed by what sounded like a roar—I forgot to look down until I heard our baby’s cry.

Not one thought there about the actual experience of the women who went through significant medical treatment, gestated a baby (they do not, in fact, just grow themselves in a passive vessel) and birthed it - not a mention of how being 13 days overdue might have been for her, birth as sanitised as the transfer.

I am actually really surprised that an American doctor was in favour of letting an IVF pregnancy with no genetic link to the pregnant woman go so overdue, given the clear evidence that such pregnancies are higher-risk and particularly so for placental issues. I really, really hope that that was a decision made between medical professionals and the surrogate not by Lena and her partner to fit any idea they had about how the baby should be born.

Lalgarh · 18/09/2026 12:12

Not one thought there about the actual experience of the women who went through significant medical treatment, gestated a baby (they do not, in fact, just grow themselves in a passive vessel).

i should get back to it, but Jenny Kleemans book Sex Robots and Vegan meat covers the evangelical/ anti abortion research that is going into creating artificial wombs that really would "dispense" with any notion of the actual grunt work the mother does.

Perrygreen · 18/09/2026 13:14

Lady Gaga has appeared with a baby this week but no one appears to have seen her pregnant. Millie Bobbie-Brown says she's adopted baby number 2, I'm not convinced it's technically an adoption.

Lalgarh · 18/09/2026 13:39

Yes I heard about Gaga. She'd been out of the public eye for a while so it's assumed she'd actually had a pregnancy

Slightyamusedandsilly · 18/09/2026 13:46

Lomonald · 06/05/2026 17:03

To be fair the headline and article i read said they used a surrogate so it wasn't misleading really, why anyone would want a baby at 53 is beyond me,

I guess if you have nannies and night nurses, cooks and house keepers and cleaners, all you have to do is have cuddles and choose nice clothes. While getting a full nights sleep with no birth to recover from.

Gengha · 18/09/2026 13:58

What annoys me is when people think the person who contributed the genetic material is the “biological mother”. In my book the biological mother is the woman who carries and gives birth to the baby. The baby doesn’t know where its genes come from but it does know the voice and heartbeat of the woman who carried them.

Gengha · 18/09/2026 14:03

Cheese55 · 09/08/2026 07:43

You could say that about every man in a heterosexual couple who agrees that the woman should get pregnant so they can have children together.

Eh?

So what’s the alternative? The man getting pregnant?

elgreco · 18/09/2026 16:44

Looks like Gaga also used a surrogate