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Bridget Phillipson blocking EHRC guidance - thread 2

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lcakethereforeIam · 25/01/2026 15:48

Thread 1

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5462015-brigitte-phillipson-blocking-ehrc-guidance

Hope I've spelled her name correctly this time.

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Leafstamp · 26/01/2026 18:51

lcakethereforeIam · 26/01/2026 11:49

While idly scrolling I came across this

Welcome | Inventories of Living Heritage in the UK https://share.google/hV3a7NZZd3pHfgKii

I was wondering if anyone thought there was any mileage in a bunch of us submitting that in the various components countries of the UK we have a tradition worth preserving of recognising biological men and biological women as distinct sexes with, when necessary, separate spaces for the sexes such as toilets, changing rooms, prisons? Obviously it's not what this was set up for but I'm of the opinion that the more cages we can rattle the better. Or should organisations such as Sex Matters make a submission? Or both? Or neither?

Eta I think it's an interesting and worthwhile thing to do recording and preserving niche traditions and the like. I didn't know the Shetland Isles had their own distinct language.

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I think there would be no harm. I am enjoying rattling some cages atm.

SinnerBoy · 26/01/2026 14:12

OK, apologies to K Birbalsingh regarding the racial discrimination case, that was a different school and headmaster. It was not K Birbalsingh.

I may be conflating two different cases, I'm certain I read, in Private Eye, that she told investors that a troublesome girl had left.

I'll carry on looking.

lcakethereforeIam · 26/01/2026 11:49

While idly scrolling I came across this

Welcome | Inventories of Living Heritage in the UK https://share.google/hV3a7NZZd3pHfgKii

I was wondering if anyone thought there was any mileage in a bunch of us submitting that in the various components countries of the UK we have a tradition worth preserving of recognising biological men and biological women as distinct sexes with, when necessary, separate spaces for the sexes such as toilets, changing rooms, prisons? Obviously it's not what this was set up for but I'm of the opinion that the more cages we can rattle the better. Or should organisations such as Sex Matters make a submission? Or both? Or neither?

Eta I think it's an interesting and worthwhile thing to do recording and preserving niche traditions and the like. I didn't know the Shetland Isles had their own distinct language.

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TempestTost · 25/01/2026 21:03

IwantToRetire · 25/01/2026 18:03

I wish we could have a thread that sticks to the purpose of the thread.

Why not start a thread about political parties?

Not only is it really boring to have the same old she did that, he did that, will political parties every change, blah, blah, blah, blah.

What would be really nice and useful, is if someone sees this thread had been updated they would know when they came to check it would be a post about further moves or obstructions to the Guidelines being published.

Every thread now is the same.

Most of what is posted isn't what we know but just shows which media outlet we listen to or read.

Why not have a thread that is something like Daily Politics News and Reactions.

If you had a thread by yourself you'd probably find all the posts talked about what you wanted.

ScrollingLeaves · 25/01/2026 21:00

@SinnerBoy · Today 15:10

Re This you said about Katherine Birbalsingh:

lost a racial discrimination case, brought by a Black girl. She bordered her to shave her hair off, then put her in isolation.

Please would you post a link to this news as I cannot find anything about it. Though I have found there are stories about schools’ unfairly discriminating against African hair and hairstyles, and one about a girl in isolation over her hair, I did not find one linked to Katherine Birbalsingh.

UtopiaPlanitia · 25/01/2026 20:41

I think what irritates me most is them stating they have to assess 300 pages - like it’s some Herculean undertaking.

Various EHRC bods have stated that the guidance with changes relating to the Supreme Court ruling is only 11 pages long, the remaining 289 pages guidance is undisputed and not under review.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 25/01/2026 20:11

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UtopiaPlanitia · 25/01/2026 20:09

IwantToRetire · 25/01/2026 18:03

I wish we could have a thread that sticks to the purpose of the thread.

Why not start a thread about political parties?

Not only is it really boring to have the same old she did that, he did that, will political parties every change, blah, blah, blah, blah.

What would be really nice and useful, is if someone sees this thread had been updated they would know when they came to check it would be a post about further moves or obstructions to the Guidelines being published.

Every thread now is the same.

Most of what is posted isn't what we know but just shows which media outlet we listen to or read.

Why not have a thread that is something like Daily Politics News and Reactions.

It’s an open forum and discussions on threads evolve and change. There’s no Editor-in-Chief.

IwantToRetire · 25/01/2026 19:01

Labour accused of deliberately delaying publication of new guidance drawn up by the Equality and Human Rights Commission.

Andrea Williams, Chief Executive of the Christian Legal Centre, said: “The Government’s continued delay in publishing lawful guidance on single‑sex spaces is now indefensible.

“Every further delay fuels confusion, enables injustice, and exposes nurses to disciplinary action simply for upholding biological reality or acting according to conscience. Guidance must be published without delay so that the NHS and other public institutions can finally operate within the law and protect their staff from further harm.”

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2162233/Labour-trans-woke-biological-sex-NHS

Labour sits on new trans sex guidance 10 months after landmark judgement

EXCLUSIVE: Labour accused of deliberately delaying publication of new guidance drawn up by the Equality and Human Rights Commission.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2162233/Labour-trans-woke-biological-sex-NHS

IwantToRetire · 25/01/2026 18:03

I wish we could have a thread that sticks to the purpose of the thread.

Why not start a thread about political parties?

Not only is it really boring to have the same old she did that, he did that, will political parties every change, blah, blah, blah, blah.

What would be really nice and useful, is if someone sees this thread had been updated they would know when they came to check it would be a post about further moves or obstructions to the Guidelines being published.

Every thread now is the same.

Most of what is posted isn't what we know but just shows which media outlet we listen to or read.

Why not have a thread that is something like Daily Politics News and Reactions.

Pingponghavoc · 25/01/2026 17:23

The government were convinced that they could handle holding two beliefs at once - sex and gender, but once the SC made their ruling, realised they couldnt. Now they are like bunnies in headlights not knowing what to do.

I dont know how we could even begin to get anything sorted given they say they support it, then everything they do says that they are going to ignore it.

Its true that while labour are threatened on all sides, the ministers are fighting the greens or Muslim Independents, so sex based rights isnt the fight to take. Maybe our hope is that the colleagues with trans relatives lose their seats?

SionnachRuadh · 25/01/2026 17:02

I don't know what would shift this government. A drubbing in the May elections would help, but when you've got a PM with a 14% approval rating, the chances are that they'll just double down on everything.

And again, the leading ministers in the government are mostly centred in London, to a lesser extent Manchester and Leeds, and their seats are under threat from the Greens who openly deny that biology exists.

We'd need to think about how to create incentives, but I have no idea what incentive is strong enough to induce Starmer/Phillipson/Streeting to do anything that would annoy their colleagues with trans identified children.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 25/01/2026 16:12

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lcakethereforeIam · 25/01/2026 15:57

Link to the thread with a link to the petition

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/5474328-parliamentary-petition-approve-and-implement-the-ehrc-guidance-on-meaning-of-sex-in-the-equality-act

Currently dying on its arse with just over 1200 signatures. Please sign and share if you can. It's arguably in the interest of TiP to get moving on the guidance. The paralysis that's in effect at the moment is no good for anyone.

If anyone is worried about sharing because of fear of backlash from the people who only identify as kind this could be the line to take.

Parliamentary Petition: Approve and implement the EHRC guidance on meaning of sex in the Equality Act | Mumsnet

[[https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/749761 https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/749761]] The Supreme Court has issued a ruling relating to...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/5474328-parliamentary-petition-approve-and-implement-the-ehrc-guidance-on-meaning-of-sex-in-the-equality-act

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